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Contributor I
February 12, 2013

Please add support for DTS for the Sonos Playbar.

A hifi homecinema soundbar without dts support seems not up to date for me. Are there any plans to add dts support?
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    Lyricist III
    May 5, 2013
    Not only the lack of DTS decoding is a design flaw... After contacting the support departments of some major TV brands, I found out, that there will be ALWAYS problems getting a valid surround signal using the optical output. The idea of taking the TV to switch sources and take the audio output signal the TV delivers as only source is a good one in itself, BUT: All TV manufacturers seem to support the idea of using HDMI ARC as a digital OUTPUT!!!!! Reason is the HDMI/HDCP copy protection, which, when implemented correctly, prevents the audio and video signal from being delivered to an output without copy protection (optical output!). Only a HDMI (ARC) output can fulfill this requirement! I suppose, that SONOS should not only implement DTS by software, but also HAS TO re-design the soundbar and install a HDMI input using ARC!!!!!! COME ON SONOS, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!! And also think of the customers already having a playbar at home!!!!! The best way would be to create some kind of adapter using HDMI in as an add-on to the playbar. You promised a flawless system design everybody bought with great expectations, BUT...??? P.S. Sorry for my faulty english, I'm German
    The above statement only applies to Dolby+ and DTS HD. Which both can not be sent through an SPDIF connection anyway... So, to state yourself, User427990: Come on, do your homework! 😉 (no offense ment, but don't believe everything some support member tells you...)
    Trending Lyricist I
    May 5, 2013
    Not only the lack of DTS decoding is a design flaw... After contacting the support departments of some major TV brands, I found out, that there will be ALWAYS problems getting a valid surround signal using the optical output. The idea of taking the TV to switch sources and take the audio output signal the TV delivers as only source is a good one in itself, BUT: All TV manufacturers seem to support the idea of using HDMI ARC as a digital OUTPUT!!!!! Reason is the HDMI/HDCP copy protection, which, when implemented correctly, prevents the audio and video signal from being delivered to an output without copy protection (optical output!). Only a HDMI (ARC) output can fulfill this requirement! I suppose, that SONOS should not only implement DTS by software, but also HAS TO re-design the soundbar and install a HDMI input using ARC!!!!!! COME ON SONOS, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!! And also think of the customers already having a playbar at home!!!!! The best way would be to create some kind of adapter using HDMI in as an add-on to the playbar. You promised a flawless system design everybody bought with great expectations, BUT...??? P.S. Sorry for my faulty english, I'm German
    If I got it right the design flaw described by User427990 is especially about HDMI/HDCP copy protected content and transcoding related issues to deliver copy protected content via optical connections. In case the content is HDMI/HDCP copy protected, it's not licensed, not allowed or maybe illegal to forward it unprotected to any optical output, even if it works. For simple BITSTREAM forwarding this should not be an issue anyway, 'cause the copy protection on the BITSTREAM is not changed. For transcoding a HDMI/HDCP copy protected BITSTREAM into something unprotected it’s very likely to be at a minimum a legal issue. Not sure, but this is very likely to be one of the reasons, why it is so difficult to find an A-brand audio de-embedder with optical output working properly for all content sources.
    Lyricist III
    May 5, 2013
    Not only the lack of DTS decoding is a design flaw... After contacting the support departments of some major TV brands, I found out, that there will be ALWAYS problems getting a valid surround signal using the optical output. The idea of taking the TV to switch sources and take the audio output signal the TV delivers as only source is a good one in itself, BUT: All TV manufacturers seem to support the idea of using HDMI ARC as a digital OUTPUT!!!!! Reason is the HDMI/HDCP copy protection, which, when implemented correctly, prevents the audio and video signal from being delivered to an output without copy protection (optical output!). Only a HDMI (ARC) output can fulfill this requirement! I suppose, that SONOS should not only implement DTS by software, but also HAS TO re-design the soundbar and install a HDMI input using ARC!!!!!! COME ON SONOS, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!! And also think of the customers already having a playbar at home!!!!! The best way would be to create some kind of adapter using HDMI in as an add-on to the playbar. You promised a flawless system design everybody bought with great expectations, BUT...??? P.S. Sorry for my faulty english, I'm German
    HDCP is not an issue, it is merely a protection for illegal playback devices such as BR players, which by the way, still provide optical outputs. This has nothing to do with the Playbar. Still, it would have been better to provide a HDMI connection, however, this only works if the Playbar provides HDMI switching, connecting all sources to the playbar (thus getting cable clutter) and passing the video signal to the tv. From that perspective I understand that decision for the optical connection, there aren't any televisions which have hdmi audio outputs as far as I know.
    Lyricist I
    May 6, 2013
    No DTS = No Playbar for me. Seeing that I already own plenty of Sonos gear, lack of DTS suppor tis costing Sonos additional revenue from me.
    Contributor I
    May 6, 2013
    Not only the lack of DTS decoding is a design flaw... After contacting the support departments of some major TV brands, I found out, that there will be ALWAYS problems getting a valid surround signal using the optical output. The idea of taking the TV to switch sources and take the audio output signal the TV delivers as only source is a good one in itself, BUT: All TV manufacturers seem to support the idea of using HDMI ARC as a digital OUTPUT!!!!! Reason is the HDMI/HDCP copy protection, which, when implemented correctly, prevents the audio and video signal from being delivered to an output without copy protection (optical output!). Only a HDMI (ARC) output can fulfill this requirement! I suppose, that SONOS should not only implement DTS by software, but also HAS TO re-design the soundbar and install a HDMI input using ARC!!!!!! COME ON SONOS, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!! And also think of the customers already having a playbar at home!!!!! The best way would be to create some kind of adapter using HDMI in as an add-on to the playbar. You promised a flawless system design everybody bought with great expectations, BUT...??? P.S. Sorry for my faulty english, I'm German
    Bernd, you're right. And that's the reason, most A-brand TV's don't put through DD or DTS via optical output. Some still do, but in those cases, the support folks don't like to talk about it... Maybe HDMI/ARC would be the solution, but that's not MY homework, but SONOS'
    Lyricist I
    May 6, 2013
    Dear Sonos, 700€ for a soundbar with "no DTS" issue? No way for an otherwise happy Sonos customer like me. From my point of view, Sonos Playbar is not a finished product, please add the DTS support. A posibility of an other sound input, such as HDMI would be also nice. Kind regards Zoran
    Lyricist III
    May 7, 2013
    I've just come across a product from Philips, it might not sound as great, but the Philips HTL9100 has everything I need. A soundbar with wireless detachable rear battery powered speakers (up to 10 hours of use) and a wireless subwoofer. And this soundbar has actually 2 HDMI inputs en 1 output with HDMI ARC support.
    May 7, 2013
    i was left speechless when i read there is no DTS support. I was planning to buy a Playbar, when DTS support is added i will.
    Trending Lyricist I
    May 8, 2013
    I've just come across a product from Philips, it might not sound as great, but the Philips HTL9100 has everything I need. A soundbar with wireless detachable rear battery powered speakers (up to 10 hours of use) and a wireless subwoofer. And this soundbar has actually 2 HDMI inputs en 1 output with HDMI ARC support.
    Thanks for the input 🙂 going to go for a Philips HTB9550D 5.1 system from the Fidelio series with wireless rear speakers as a temporary workaround. ( This includes a Blu-Ray drive for legacy media playback and FM radio, too. ) One of the caveats is the missing multi room sync on the Fidelio series, but they are offering a '4.1 stereo mode' for music on the HTB9550D, saying front and rear speakers act as two stereo pairs plus active sub minus quiet center. Maybe something I'm going to forward to my parents in case Sonos shows up with something working properly.
    Lyricist III
    May 8, 2013
    I've just come across a product from Philips, it might not sound as great, but the Philips HTL9100 has everything I need. A soundbar with wireless detachable rear battery powered speakers (up to 10 hours of use) and a wireless subwoofer. And this soundbar has actually 2 HDMI inputs en 1 output with HDMI ARC support.
    The HTB9550 is not exactly the same as the HTL9100, but yes, the Sonos has multiroom support and the streaming options are a lot better. Nonetheless, for me it would be a better solution, as the primary function for me would be movies. I already own a good stereo amplifier, which leaves the Sonos in the dust 🙂