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I am in the process of moving into a new home that needs to be wired with a whole house speaker system. There will not be the opportunity to install volume controls in each room.

I would like to use my Denon Receiver that has two zones for Multi-Sourcing to other amps with RCA cable to split the signal and power 12 pairs of speakers I currently have in my home.

My question is can the Sonos Amps connect to my receiver and daisy chain with other Sonos amps so one music source can feed all the Sonos amps in sync?

My Denon receiver Is the main source for my home theater and multi-sourcing thru-out the house and in need to somehow control the volume with each set of speakers.

Complicated question and I hope it makes sense.

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AirgetlamAnswer

If you connected the line out from the Amp to a line in on the Denon, it could play anything the Amp could play…with one caveat. The analog line in on the Amp has a 75ms delay, so anything you send from the Denon to the Sonos system would have that 75ms delay.

You’ve gone a step further, however, by adding an Apple TV. While if the Apple TV is playing via the digital input (HDMI ARC), it will play on that particular Amp, and any Amp ‘bonded’ as surround speakers at the same time, with lipsync. Any other devices with speakers (the third Amp, or your Denon device, will be delayed by 75ms, due to the nature of the Sonos.

The difference between a Sonos Port, and a Sonos Amp is essentially the Amp has a, well, amplifier in it that can drive its own set of connected speakers (and some slight input differences.

If your ultimate goal is to play speakers in other rooms, you’d likely want Amps to drive each ‘room’ (essentially a pair of speakers, although can go higher, depending on the speakers). As long as you’re not concerned about 100% sync, and can live with a 75ms delay between the TV room, and any ‘grouped’ room, than the ARC output from the TV set can be sent to a Sonos Amp. If instead, you’re more interested in playing music in sync, then a Sonos Port connected to the Denon will work, although any and all Sonos speakers will be slightly related from the Denon speakers (but all Sonos devices will be in sync).

I feel like I’m talking around all sorts of potentials. What is your ultimate goal?

Bruce

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AjTrek1

@SWAdude

You may find the information below useful….

Based upon 12 pairs of speakers (24) you currently own

Each Sonos Amp is identified as One room.
All speakers wired to a single Amp play the same audio.
A Sonos Port ^ connected to the Denon will allow sources connected to it (Denon); play to all Sonos rooms when Grouped *
Rooms can be streamed to individually via an audio subscription service independent of the Denon/Port
TV audio will experience a 75ms delay to Sonos vs that sent to speakers wired to the Denon
Below are possible builds using a Sonos Amp(s) for rooms and spaces **

12 Sonos Amps/24 Speakers ***

Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room

6 Sonos Amps/24 Speakers ****

Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room

^ The Port will be designated as room (For Example: Denon 2)

* Space refers to an area where a speaker might be installed regardless of the Amp (room) it is wired to. For example: Dining Room Amp with 4 speakers and 2 of 4 are placed in the kitchen (space).

** Large Groupings will tax your Wi-Fi

*** 2 speakers per Amp in one room or split between 2 spaces

**** 4 speakers per Amp in one room or split between 2, 3 or 4 spaces.

Together Everyone Achieves More = T.E.A.M.

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@SWAdude

You may find the information below useful….

Based upon 12 pairs of speakers (24) you currently own

Each Sonos Amp is identified as One room.
All speakers wired to a single Amp play the same audio.
A Sonos Port connected to the Denon will allow sources connected to it; play to all Sonos rooms when Grouped *
Rooms can be streamed to individually via an audio subscription service independent of the Denon/Port
TV audio will experience a 75ms delay to Sonos vs that sent to speakers wired to the Denon
Below are possible builds using a Sonos Amp(s) for rooms and spaces **

12 Sonos Amps/24 Speakers ***

Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room
Sonos Amp_1 Pair (3rd party speakers x 2) One room

6 Sonos Amps/24 Speakers ****

Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room
Sonos Amp_2 Pair (3rd party speakers x 4) One room

* Space refers to an area where a speaker might be installed regardless of the Amp (room) it is wired to. For example: Dining Room Amp with 4 speakers and 2 of 4 are placed in the kitchen (space).

** Large Groupings will tax your Wi-Fi

*** 2 speakers per Amp in one room or split between 2 spaces

**** 4 speakers per Amp in one room or split between 2, 3 or 4 spaces.

Dang! Did I come to right place.👍🏼

Thank you very much Aj. Extremely helpful.All have been.

If I may indulge another question, If I was to connect an ethernet cable to the back of each Amp, does that give a better method of communication? Or is the communication exclusively with Wifi?

Thanks again!!!

AjTrek1

@SWAdude

If I may indulge another question, If I was to connect an ethernet cable to the back of each Amp, does that give a better method of communication?

Yes…

However, you’ll have to run everything back to a switch connected to your router. Prudence dictates employing the help of a professional installer for a clean setup; and someone to hold responsible if things go array.😂

Running Ethernet cable can be tricky and not reliable over long runs without some sort of junction

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Together Everyone Achieves More = T.E.A.M.

S

SWAdudeAuthor

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@SWAdude

If I may indulge another question, If I was to connect an ethernet cable to the back of each Amp, does that give a better method of communication?

Yes…

However, you’ll have to run everything back to a switch connected to your router. Prudence dictates employing the help of a professional installer for a clean setup; and someone to hold responsible if things go array.😂

Running Ethernet cable can be tricky and not reliable over long runs without some sort of junction

Amazon.com: Rapink Patch Panel 24 Port Cat6A with Inline Keystone 10G Support, Coupler Patch Panel STP Shielded 19-Inch with Removable Back Bar, 1U Network Patch Panel for Cat7, Cat6, Cat6A, Cat5e : Electronics

and/or Wall plates

ethernet wall port - Search

Thanks again!

I will be having a professional do the install. Where the equipment is going there will be two wall ports already installed with CAT7 that goes to a router.

I have messed around with all this for so about 25 years but no pro. And yes, I think it best to have someone else hold that responsibility. 😁

Thanks Aj.

Everyone on this thread, I appreciate getting me off the right start with all this information. I can never get enough. Please keep on sharing! 🤙🏽

AjTrek1

@SWAdude

FYI, if need be...you can run 6 Sonos Architectural by Sonance on one Amp!

Connect six Sonos Architectural speakers to Amp | Sonos

Together Everyone Achieves More = T.E.A.M.

Airgetlam

Note, the difference between Ethernet cabled and WiFi connection is zero, in terms of music quality itself. The music has been digitized, and is equal across both methods of communication. WiFi is more subject to interference, but cabling isn’t perfect either, in the grand scheme. Both would be affected by potential duplicate IP addresses with the router, since that is a router issue, and not a communication issue.

If the WiFi network environment is clean, I prefer wireless (wifi) connection, it’s what the system was designed for. The fallback, IMHO, is wired components. But you’re not getting ‘better’ music, just a likely more stable connection.

There is more information in the the wireless and wired systems FAQ.

Bruce

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Muggles

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It’s wild that people prefer Sonos wireless over wired.

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SWAdudeAuthor

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@SWAdude

FYI, if need be...you can run 6 Sonos Architectural by Sonance on one Amp!

Connect six Sonos Architectural speakers to Amp | Sonos

Thats good to know. Thanks!

This system sounds like its the ultimate in flexibility.

Thanks again.

S

SWAdudeAuthor

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It’s wild that people prefer Sonos wireless over wired.

I wish I could find a wired solution not having volume controls for my specific application needs.

I would have thoughtone would be easy to find. If you know of one, I am interested!

AjTrek1

My reference to suggest a wired connection had nothing to do with quality of music as it is all digital. @SWAdude was asking a question in reference to my comment that large groupings can tax a WiFi network. I mentioned that given that @SWAdude could have anywhere from 6 to 12 rooms (all using speakers wired to an Amp) in a whole home grouping. Therefore my reference was directed toward stability and not the quality of the music as it relates to Ethernet vs WiFi.

Together Everyone Achieves More = T.E.A.M.

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