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I am in the process of moving into a new home that needs to be wired with a whole house speaker system. There will not be the opportunity to install volume controls in each room.

I would like to use my Denon Receiver that has two zones for Multi-Sourcing to other amps with RCA cable to split the signal and power 12 pairs of speakers I currently have in my home.

My question is can the Sonos Amps connect to my receiver and daisy chain with other Sonos amps so one music source can feed all the Sonos amps in sync?

My Denon receiver Is the main source for my home theater and multi-sourcing thru-out the house and in need to somehow control the volume with each set of speakers.

Complicated question and I hope it makes sense.

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AirgetlamAnswer

If you connected the line out from the Amp to a line in on the Denon, it could play anything the Amp could play…with one caveat. The analog line in on the Amp has a 75ms delay, so anything you send from the Denon to the Sonos system would have that 75ms delay.

You’ve gone a step further, however, by adding an Apple TV. While if the Apple TV is playing via the digital input (HDMI ARC), it will play on that particular Amp, and any Amp ‘bonded’ as surround speakers at the same time, with lipsync. Any other devices with speakers (the third Amp, or your Denon device, will be delayed by 75ms, due to the nature of the Sonos.

The difference between a Sonos Port, and a Sonos Amp is essentially the Amp has a, well, amplifier in it that can drive its own set of connected speakers (and some slight input differences.

If your ultimate goal is to play speakers in other rooms, you’d likely want Amps to drive each ‘room’ (essentially a pair of speakers, although can go higher, depending on the speakers). As long as you’re not concerned about 100% sync, and can live with a 75ms delay between the TV room, and any ‘grouped’ room, than the ARC output from the TV set can be sent to a Sonos Amp. If instead, you’re more interested in playing music in sync, then a Sonos Port connected to the Denon will work, although any and all Sonos speakers will be slightly related from the Denon speakers (but all Sonos devices will be in sync).

I feel like I’m talking around all sorts of potentials. What is your ultimate goal?

Bruce

Airgetlam

No. And yes. The issue is ‘how’ it is done. You wouldn’t be ‘daisy chaining’ the devices. Once they’re set up, you’d be ‘grouping’ them in the Sonos software, and they’d then play whatever source, be it streaming from the Denon, or streaming from the internet in sync. You’d then be able to control the volume of each Amp separately, using the Sonos controller.

Bruce

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No. And yes. The issue is ‘how’ it is done. You wouldn’t be ‘daisy chaining’ the devices. Once they’re set up, you’d be ‘grouping’ them in the Sonos software, and they’d then play whatever source, be it streaming from the Denon, or streaming from the internet in sync. You’d then be able to control the volume of each Amp separately, using the Sonos controller.

Thanks for your answer!

I am lost at the streaming from the Denon AVR.

For example, If I was playing something my AppleTv that is connected to the amp and it plays thru the main speakers and I want hear that thru out the house as well, would the Denon have the ability to “Stream” to the Sonos Amps as like using one of the Zones from the AVR to the speakers?

I have been studying the Sonos Port and wondered if that is what I would need but confused as usual.

AirgetlamAnswer

If you connected the line out from the Amp to a line in on the Denon, it could play anything the Amp could play…with one caveat. The analog line in on the Amp has a 75ms delay, so anything you send from the Denon to the Sonos system would have that 75ms delay.

You’ve gone a step further, however, by adding an Apple TV. While if the Apple TV is playing via the digital input (HDMI ARC), it will play on that particular Amp, and any Amp ‘bonded’ as surround speakers at the same time, with lipsync. Any other devices with speakers (the third Amp, or your Denon device, will be delayed by 75ms, due to the nature of the Sonos.

The difference between a Sonos Port, and a Sonos Amp is essentially the Amp has a, well, amplifier in it that can drive its own set of connected speakers (and some slight input differences.

If your ultimate goal is to play speakers in other rooms, you’d likely want Amps to drive each ‘room’ (essentially a pair of speakers, although can go higher, depending on the speakers). As long as you’re not concerned about 100% sync, and can live with a 75ms delay between the TV room, and any ‘grouped’ room, than the ARC output from the TV set can be sent to a Sonos Amp. If instead, you’re more interested in playing music in sync, then a Sonos Port connected to the Denon will work, although any and all Sonos speakers will be slightly related from the Denon speakers (but all Sonos devices will be in sync).

I feel like I’m talking around all sorts of potentials. What is your ultimate goal?

Bruce

Stanley_4

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Some of the Denon DSP options can delay the sound from the attached speakers, some modes more than others, picking the direct output removes the delay.

Been a while but I used two Connects, the predecessor to the Port, to stream music to my Denon AVR in one room,a Yamaha AVR In another and several Sonos speakers. If you carefully positioned yourself between rooms you could hear the delay, normally it wasn't an issue even with both AVRs and all Sonos playing.

With two Denon zones for output you might want to wire two Sonos to it so you could send your Sonos system two simultaneous streams to select from in addition to the internal Sonos options.

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SWAdudeAuthor

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If you connected the line out from the Amp to a line in on the Denon, it could play anything the Amp could play…with one caveat. The analog line in on the Amp has a 75ms delay, so anything you send from the Denon to the Sonos system would have that 75ms delay.

You’ve gone a step further, however, by adding an Apple TV. While if the Apple TV is playing via the digital input (HDMI ARC), it will play on that particular Amp, and any Amp ‘bonded’ as surround speakers at the same time, with lipsync. Any other devices with speakers (the third Amp, or your Denon device, will be delayed by 75ms, due to the nature of the Sonos.

The difference between a Sonos Port, and a Sonos Amp is essentially the Amp has a, well, amplifier in it that can drive its own set of connected speakers (and some slight input differences.

If your ultimate goal is to play speakers in other rooms, you’d likely want Amps to drive each ‘room’ (essentially a pair of speakers, although can go higher, depending on the speakers). As long as you’re not concerned about 100% sync, and can live with a 75ms delay between the TV room, and any ‘grouped’ room, than the ARC output from the TV set can be sent to a Sonos Amp. If instead, you’re more interested in playing music in sync, then a Sonos Port connected to the Denon will work, although any and all Sonos speakers will be slightly related from the Denon speakers (but all Sonos devices will be in sync).

I feel like I’m talking around all sorts of potentials. What is your ultimate goal?

Great question!

I am trying to duplicate what I have now.

I have 12 sets of speakers thru the house that we built. With that build we had each room with a volume control for its speakers. The Denon AVR has three zones. Zone 1 is the main zone for the surround sound system with the TV. Zone 2 goes from the AVR to a Niles amplifier that splits that into 12 speakers in 6 rooms. Zone 3 does the same to six different rooms. I have the flexibility of controlling the volume with each Zone independently and further adjusting the volume in each room independently with that rooms volume control. Some rooms I have the volume control on low if they are not needed. Keeps the neighbors happy.

The problem I have is no volume controls in the rooms now. And three sets of speakers will be outside. It really does come down to the analog volume controls that were preinstalled in our current home.

The 75ms delay may be a deal breaker. There are sometimes I need everything in synch because of the main event with the sound in the main zone.

I am still hoping Sonos can be part of the solution. I am sold on their product.

Thanks a bunch for thinking this with me.

S

SWAdudeAuthor

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Some of the Denon DSP options can delay the sound from the attached speakers, some modes more than others, picking the direct output removes the delay.

Been a while but I used two Connects, the predecessor to the Port, to stream music to my Denon AVR in one room,a Yamaha AVR In another and several Sonos speakers. If you carefully positioned yourself between rooms you could hear the delay, normally it wasn't an issue even with both AVRs and all Sonos playing.

With two Denon zones for output you might want to wire two Sonos to it so you could send your Sonos system two simultaneous streams to select from in addition to the internal Sonos options.

I do recall a setting in my Denon for adjusting a delay. I may have to look into that as well. Thank you.

I am now wondering if anyone will notice if they are not looking for it. Kind of like a slight echo. 75 out of 1000 ms doesn’t sound as much.

If you could indulge me, for what my needs or wants are, Could you guide me what this would look like in the basic form?

Lets say for simplicity I want to play a CD from its player that is connect to the Denon AVR and want that to play on my Whole house Sonos speakers thru-out. From the Denon AVR, how would that signal get to the Sonos speakers?

I know it sounds simple but this brain just works that way. Simple.

Really appreciate the help.

Stanley_4

Grand Maestro

If you could indulge me, for what my needs or wants are, Could you guide me what this would look like in the basic form?

Lets say for simplicity I want to play a CD from its player that is connect to the Denon AVR and want that to play on my Whole house Sonos speakers thru-out. From the Denon AVR, how would that signal get to the Sonos speakers?

To start with I'd rip the CD collection and use the Sonos music library. Did that years ago and gave away the CD player and changer.

I'd also go with a Port on the Denon's tape-monitor loop for the interface between the two systems.

I tried typing up several different options but it has been so long since I used components I wasn't confident in any of my suggestions.

S

SWAdudeAuthor

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If you could indulge me, for what my needs or wants are, Could you guide me what this would look like in the basic form?

Lets say for simplicity I want to play a CD from its player that is connect to the Denon AVR and want that to play on my Whole house Sonos speakers thru-out. From the Denon AVR, how would that signal get to the Sonos speakers?

To start with I'd rip the CD collection and use the Sonos music library. Did that years ago and gave away the CD player and changer.

I'd also go with a Port on the Denon's tape-monitor loop for the interface between the two systems.

I tried typing up several different options but it has been so long since I used components I wasn't confident in any of my suggestions.

Yeah I don’t have actual CDs anymore. Just showing my age I guess. I should have said an AppleTV which is what I use for all my TV stuff.

For some reason I am stuck on the logic of all this. I am trying to get from my Denon AVR, to the Sonos speakers and trying to figure out how this is all done. It seems to me the Sonos Port may be some kind of bridge from my AVR to the Sonos Amps. For my wants I want the main zone to match zone 2 and zone 3 if I wish.

Once again, appreciate the perspective.

106rallye

If your Apple TV is connected to the Denon via HDMI, the Denon might not be able to pass the sound through to an analogue in on a Sonos Amp.

S

SWAdudeAuthor

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If your Apple TV is connected to the Denon via HDMI, the Denon might not be able to pass the sound through to an analogue in on a Sonos Amp.

That was true for other Denons that I had before.

My current receiver converts that signal to analog.

I was just thinking last night how long it took to first discover that many years ago. Manuals that are hundreds of pages long it was easy to miss that little blurb. 😁

Appreciate your thoughts.

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