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May 2, 2017

Cinema Codecs & 5.1: Where Are You Sonos?!

  • May 2, 2017
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Let me first say, I love Sonos as a product. They look stylish, are extremely simple to set up and operate -- and are reliable.

That said, I can't help but find myself frustrated at the Sonos Playbar and Playbase. The features these components are lacking are just baffling to me. I could understand when Sonos refused to support "high resolution" audio for music. The argument was a cost benefit one - and I could see where Sonos felt that the customer demand did not equal the costs of support.

But, when it came to home theater - things change. You cannot assume that home theaters are equivalent to music - especially to people willing to invest more than a thousand dollars on theater gear. People experience cinema differently than music. The argument that held water for audio was weak when it came to home theater.

The argument for audio was "the majority of music listeners are moving to online sources and we support these more lossy options" and CD quality. But, when it comes to cinema - the majority of people have physical copies and the streaming services are offering better quality downloads - DD+ at a minimum, but also Dolby Atmos, DTS and others.

Even more to the point - the simplicity of usage changed. With the music sources - it was plug and go. But with media -
and only a single optical cable and multiple sources - I am not assured to get Dolby Digital pass through. I have to buy the right TV, have all the right settings and then the right sources. It's not simple or efficient.

Then I look at competition. Denon Heos is a great example. 5.1, TrueHD, DTSHD, DD+ - all wirelessly streamed .... yes, it isn't cheap ... but it does everything. They also packed it with power so they can upgrade through firmware updates.

Sonos needs to up their game or get left in the dust.

I do not regret investing in Sonos, but I regret not having them think forward and leave us with an ecosystem that is being beaten by other vendors.
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20 replies

May 3, 2017
You argue well and may be correct. But I suspect that 99.9% of Sonos' target market would not know a codec if it sat up and bit them. That is not a criticism. Sonos has never been the place for a home cinema enthusiast and never will be. So much as i would like to see enhancements, i don't expect them and understand why.
Paulw123
Virtuoso
May 3, 2017
In a way, home theatre could be coming back to sonos with the latest 4K tvs.
1) My 2016 4K LG OLED has 4 HMDI connectors, so I have connected everything to the tv. I no longer need an AVR with lots of HDMI inputs.
2)The tv passes everything through to optical, which goes to my AVR.
I could make the mrs happy and get rid of the mess of cables behind my old non 4K AVR, tidy things up a lot, buy a sonos 5.1, but.........no support for better codecs.
Sonos needs to get on board quickly, people want simple, reliable one brand intergrated solutions for home sound in every room.
ratty
May 3, 2017
2)The tv passes everything through to optical, which goes to my AVR.
DD and DTS maybe. Not 'everything'. The S/PDIF optical bandwidth is insufficient.
Paulw123
Virtuoso
May 3, 2017
Well yes you are correct. I have read there is research into getting higher codecs through S/PDIF, to keep it alive.
Although the tv has so far passed "everything" my PS4 has sent the AVR via Blu-ray, so far, even DTS:X has appeared on the display for first time ever. 🆒
Previously, with my PS3 direct to the AVR, I got pcm most of the time 😠
Enthusiast II
May 4, 2017
A very frustrating aspect of this is, that Sonos can remedy this easily by adding a HDMI port so customers can take advantage of ARC. This is a simple feature that every other soundbar manufacturer has done.
But, apparently they have a low regard for the intelligence of their customers, as they continue to state the need to keep the installation "simple" with only one input.
Reminds me of Apple with their "form over function" attitude (but I digress).
inopinatus
Prominent Collaborator I
July 4, 2017
I had a room to upgrade, and it needed an AVR. I would have bought a Sonos HDMI AVR, if they had one. I held out for over a year, because it seemed to me a product refresh was long overdue. Imagine my disappointment that it was the darn playbase, which to me is just a playbar in an uglier box.

So instead I have a Denon AVR. And I will be adding Denon wireless rears and subwoofer. For sonos music input I've plugged an old ZP90 into it.

The Playbar remains a stylish piece of hardware, but the product feature set is obsolete.
uncooked meat prior to state vector collapse
Avid Contributor I
July 4, 2017
I had a room to upgrade, and it needed an AVR. I would have bought a Sonos HDMI AVR, if they had one. I held out for over a year, because it seemed to me a product refresh was long overdue. Imagine my disappointment that it was the darn playbase, which to me is just a playbar in an uglier box.

So instead I have a Denon AVR. And I will be adding Denon wireless rears and subwoofer. For sonos music input I've plugged an old ZP90 into it.

The Playbar remains a stylish piece of hardware, but the product feature set is obsolete.


what denon setup do you have? I'm currently considering returning all my sonos home theater kit (still within the 100 days) and replacing it with denon
Sageguy
Enthusiast I
July 14, 2017
I couldn't agree more. I am currently looking for and greatly anticipating what to purchase and UPGRADE from Sonos with only Dolby Digital 5.1 for all 600+ of my Blu-Ray discs. When watching a film it is not just he visual, it is the enveloping enhancement of total sound immersion. Dolby Atmos and more are what is coming. I remember when 5.1 first came out and so many perl said "no way", "not worth it". My how they had been wrong. Sonos wants into $2,000 for a simple 5,1 surround system and I say no way, too much for too little. I have a complete 5.1 Sonos system now and I am getting ready to move and I WILL be upgrading. I would love to stick with Sonos if they make any attempts to catch up with the others, but so far, I see nothing.:(
Sageguy
Contributor I
July 18, 2017
Let me first say, I love Sonos as a product. They look stylish, are extremely simple to set up and operate -- and are reliable.

That said, I can't help but find myself frustrated at the Sonos Playbar and Playbase. The features these components are lacking are just baffling to me. I could understand when Sonos refused to support "high resolution" audio for music. The argument was a cost benefit one - and I could see where Sonos felt that the customer demand did not equal the costs of support.

But, when it came to home theater - things change. You cannot assume that home theaters are equivalent to music - especially to people willing to invest more than a thousand dollars on theater gear. People experience cinema differently than music. The argument that held water for audio was weak when it came to home theater.

The argument for audio was "the majority of music listeners are moving to online sources and we support these more lossy options" and CD quality. But, when it comes to cinema - the majority of people have physical copies and the streaming services are offering better quality downloads - DD+ at a minimum, but also Dolby Atmos, DTS and others.

Even more to the point - the simplicity of usage changed. With the music sources - it was plug and go. But with media -
and only a single optical cable and multiple sources - I am not assured to get Dolby Digital pass through. I have to buy the right TV, have all the right settings and then the right sources. It's not simple or efficient.

Then I look at competition. Denon Heos is a great example. 5.1, TrueHD, DTSHD, DD+ - all wirelessly streamed .... yes, it isn't cheap ... but it does everything. They also packed it with power so they can upgrade through firmware updates.

Sonos needs to up their game or get left in the dust.

I do not regret investing in Sonos, but I regret not having them think forward and leave us with an ecosystem that is being beaten by other vendors.


I totally agree. SONOS needs to move forward.
Sageguy
Enthusiast I
July 19, 2017
Very well put and to the point. I am in the process of getting ready to move and then upgrade to a least a true 7.1 system. I am assuming pretty much wired to speakers but I will do my own research on the Denon Heos items too. I have been very pleased with my Sonos so far, but I need to tell the truth. I pretty much got all of mine through airline points, and a guy that sold them owed me money so they cost me nothing. I can tell you for sure that if I was required to pay over $2000 for the 5.1 Sonos system I have set up now, I would not have done it.

Very of of what you said is true,Sonos is getting left in the dust by all the new soundbars the decode DTS, Atmos and more. I just hope I can still get a few buch when I sell all my stuff.
Sageguy