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Fine by me too, as long as some of the revenue generated is used to enhance products and make them more affordable. ie I give Sonos my data, they give me a better product at a cheaper price 😀

There is a lot of indignation - heightened I’d suggest by Sonos’ poor current consumer perception - but one can’t be morally outraged about them selling data when we access dozens, if not hundreds, of other websites and apps where we leave a deep and information-rich footprint every day. 

I have no real issue with them knowing what I listen to either - although such a fundamental change (if indeed it is as it reads) should have been highlighted more clearly.

Very true. (My point was not aimed at recent posters specifically, but more those who are outraged across the forum without any further consideration about their online presence.)

I looked into this days ago (unlike most of the privacy/security obsessed, I put my money where my mouth is and actually look at past versions, instead of jumping right into the FUD).  I got a PM from a Sonos rep that I won’t share here; it gave the possibility that these changes are benign, but not quite enough to satisfy my curiosity.  Currently, I have an email with an inquiry about these changes sent to the privacy account at Sonos.  Unlike those who like to see things burn, or see themselves as some sort of social justice superhero, I personally like to get all possible explanations before lighting the fires on a public forum.  I suggest you do the same.

True.  It always irks me when people harp on and on about Sonos listening in, or Sonos collecting data, or any other accusations, while we know that 99.9% of those complaining have a device in their pocket that has dozens of apps which are designed from the ground up to harvest data and sell it.  The financial paradigm is literally “The user is the product”, compiling and processing every website I visit, every store I enter, every toll I pay, every banking transaction I make, every text I send, every feed I read, every post I make, and thousands more data points I don’t even know about; yet people are worried about Sonos knowing I listen to soft jazz at dinner time.

Sonos wouldn’t know what time you eat dinner? 😀

Don’t laugh.  I actually had a conversation with a security/privacy obsessed poster who screamed from the rooftops that a hacker could get ahold of Sonos’ data and know from their listening habits when their home was occupied and when it was not, using that data to plan a burglary.  My reply was “You mean instead of parking outside your home and watching when you leave?”

I’ll try not to, I’m eating my dinner. Oh no, Sonos now knows what time I eat my dinner.

Moderator edit: 18:36 GMT, noted

There is a hack to ensure Sonos doesn’t know when you are out, use the remote ‘feature’ of Spotify Connect to un-pause your Spotify stream that you paused on your Sonos when you left home. 

@Elovarun my old app as in 16.1 s2 version has no new terms to agree to guessing its to cover themselves over missing features but all is good in 16.1 land lol 😊