sonos playlist creation

I can tell you the opposite: I can tell you it’s not that hard, working on my own Sonos app.

A few weeks ago I added “save queue as playlist”, took me 2 weekends. I had the underlying code in my older apps, had to do some new UX which always takes me ages, and had to fix some gaps in the newer codebase.

Next I have been adding “add track to sonos playlist”. I didn’t have any older code to fallback on, so had to figure out the basics of the API first. The initial work was last weekend, and this weekend I’ll be tidying up the UX and doing some more testing.

Me, a dude in my garage, without any API documentation, can implement this stuff in a few weekends, and get that code running on PC, Android, iOS and Mac. The fact the official apps have taken 9 months to NOT do this work is mind boggling to me. I am beginning to wonder if this is deliberate - per the post above, maybe Sonos playlists really are going away when the desktop apps are retired?

Oh damn sure hope not. 

That would be completely the opposite of what Corry announced above. So I don’t think he would have done so, if there were any plans to remove Sonos playlists. 

The more I see it the more I think that the new App (or at least large parts of its functional modules) was farmed out and coded largely by an external company with little knowledge of how the existing/old underlying system and app works/worked.  I have no basis of fact here but it just seems the most obvious reason.

I can't recall the name (I think it was Nick Millington) but I recall they went right back to basics early on and the ‘head of’ the initial Sonos implementation and architecture came back in to troubleshoot what was going wrong and why - and to ‘fix’ it.

It is astonishing that the functionality that was there from day one was not only not in the relaunch but is still missing 8+ months on - in a company the size of Sonos.  Although due to the number of monumental cock ups the company is, sadly, now quite a bit smaller than it was pre-new App launch. ☹️

I believe he wouldn’t have done so on purpose. But don’t think he would necessarily know if decision makers decided to remove this

So you think he would have been given the information that Playlist editing is coming back in the next update or the one after, but ‘they’ will have withheld contradictory information about playlists being removed? 

Conspiratorial nonsense. 

No what I’m saying is it’s ridiculous that it’s been 10 months without this feature that Sonos has had for over a decade and maybe the Sonos staff posting here don’t have all the information. 

I can imagine that the original code base is now a gaggle of patches. This is very common as legacy code is dragged forward. In an effort get rid of the patches, I think that SONOS decided to modernize the development tools, but this meant untangling the gaggle. This can be very time consuming and the required effort multiplied if the original gaggle writers have left the company.

By the way, I’m not trying to justify releasing the “new improved” too early. This would be a discussion for the corporate elite.

Sonos says the new app is all new code base, and a new app from the ground up. They say to improve development, get rid of legacy code and allow pushing updates quicker. Were you not aware of this or do you think they have a “gaggle of patches” already ? 
 

Yeah that’s great if you have a desktop. But a lot of people, including myself, only use tablets and phones, and don’t have the use for a pc or laptop anymore. And I don’t plan on buying one just because sonos can’t give its customers what they actually want.