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Enthusiast II
May 15, 2024
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Alternative to Sonos

  • May 15, 2024
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I sent this to the Sonos CEO email, as this seems to be the only support option available. My main point is to find a solution on the bad situation I find myself in, with the non-functioning new app.

Anyone else, if not the CEO, is welcome to give their suggestions and comments, that may help me on the way. Thanks.

 

“Dear Sonos,

You have done something completely absurd, as you are aware of, by killing off a functioning app and replacing it with one that has close to no functions - a work in progress, at best, or a disaster of an app, when speaking realistically.

After some years without Sonos for my part, since you decided to kill off all older devices, threatening that if I didn't replace them with new ones I would be at risk of you sending out software updates at any time that would render my system useless, I decided to give you a chance again, ordering a Port.

The day after receiving this new device, before I had even managed to connect it and start using it, came this infamous app update.

I have one - one - purpose of owning a Sonos system: I want a player for the music I have in my own collection. CDs that I have copied to a local SAN and are playing from there.

This is hardly possible now. I was lucky to get the old desktop app before you stopped access to it, so that I at least in that app can make playlists - which most of the time are visible and playable from the mobile app.

In the mobile app, it happens from time to time that "My music" appears - and when it does, it sometimes stay long enough for me to see the music collection - in a somewhat useless form, as all contributing artists and their mother and neighbors seem to be in the list that, therefore, becomes extremely long - and since it is not searchable, I can effectively see only the first few letters of the alphabet. When it works at all, that is.

And what can I do with that music overview? I can pick one tune. Or one album. And play it directly. That's it.

If I pick an album, I cannot see the tunes on it in the queue, which is called empty, even though the system does play song after song until that album is over.

If I try with the web app, I can always see My music, and I can pick an artist, if I want - but wanting this means accepting that all tunes by that artist will be played either alphabetically or in random order (if I push that button). I cannot get them played in the order they are on the albums.

So, back to the old desktop app that I now do not dare to upgrade, even though it constantly asks me to do so: There, I can make playlists of albums that will be played in the correct order.

You want so much that I upgrade that app, but what will come out of it? I expect nothing good.

My take on all this is that you have ruined my joy of ownership of that new thing, the Port, like you previously did with the older devices I had. It was wrong of me to give you another chance. You have not proved worthy of that.

So, apart from not buying any more devices from Sonos, due to this failure of delivering what you sold me, I will again start looking for an alternative. 

You are in general lucky, in that the competition is very poor. I tried out Yamaha's MusicCast and Denon's Heos, and where Yamaha had great hardware, they had a terrible app. Where Denon had a useful app, they had malfunctioning hardware. Sonos used to be the combination of good hardware and software, even though you several times have shown a lack of sense of fair business, but now you have the most miserable app of them all, making it impossible to utilize the hardware, so it no longer matters if that is good or bad.

I hope that there is a fourth or a fifth player on the market that I can find and shift to. And since you obviously do not want me as a customer (making my ownership experience as miserable as possible), you probably wouldn't mind that I move to a competitor? 

So, please advise on who is providing a system for playing music that actually works.”

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Best answer by wayneo123

Given that this is not the first time sonos has shown questionable customer service (S1 - S2 precedent), there is no way I am remaining in their eco system.

 

I have therefore started the process of changing my hardware.

A sonos amp (paired with monitor audio silver 100s) has been replaced with a pair KEF LSII speakers (active with streaming built in) which I am very pleased with and were cheaper than the original pairing.

Currently looking at replacing my other amp with a WiiM amp or a Bluesound Powernode.

The 2 ports I have will be replaced with a Bluesound node or WiiM Pro Plus.

All of the devices in question are Roon Ready and I have taken out a Roon subscription (which to be honest is a bit on the pricey side) but it will give me a unified point of entry for any of the hardware I choose. That way I am not tied to any hardware vendor. Should any them act in the reprehensible way that sonos have.

Unfortunately I will still have my arc I use in the bedroom. It’s wall hung and the room has just been decorated otherwise I would have probably replaced it with KEF LS50’s given how good their smaller siblings are.

 

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jorwinAuthor
Enthusiast II
May 17, 2024

 

Unfortunately I will still have my arc I use in the bedroom. It’s wall hung and the room has just been decorated otherwise I would have probably replaced it with KEF LS50’s given how good their smaller siblings are.

 

I have had a look at Roon - if you use this, shouldn’t you be able to utilize the Sonos Arc through Airplay?

I just installed my new Bluesound node, btw., and while I’m waiting for it to finish indexing my music collection (in a process very similar to the one Sonos is using, except that it worked at first attempt), I signed up for Tidal and I am impressed with the high sound quality coming out of that - definitely as good as my own music played on the Sonos Port. And I can use the mobile app for handling the device, which is making life easier. I hope that my own FLAC files will be able to play equally well on this new thing.

Next step will be to see how I can arrange for a Roon server, and then I expect that both the Sonos Port and the Yamaha MusicCast pre-amplifier, and perhaps alse the two Denon ampllifiers with Heos can, literally, come into play again, by the help of Airplay. Not sure, though, if the Sonos S1 devices can work this way?

The step into using Roon does look a bit expensive, though, as I may need to buy a new and more powerful NAS or some other computer for the purpose, but if it means that my collection of streaming devices will then not be wasted, it certainly makes sense. On top of that steep entry cost, I don’t find the Roon subscription price too high. 12 - 14 USD/month seems doable if this can help making the best use of the existing hardware.

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Music library now indexed, and I can see that it is, unfortunately, handled the same way as in the new Sonos Web App: When adding all albums by an artist to the queue, the tunes are added alphabetically. I wonder, who ever wants that? I always want the tunes in the order they appear on the albums, and I definitely don’t want all versions of the same tune played right after each other (when a tune appears on several albums.)

Well, luckily I can just add the albums one at a time, but that was actually a big advantage with the old Sonos app - most alternative apps and competitors didn’t understand that this was a topic - because they never asked their users, I suppose. Like Sonos is now removing the feature, because they do not care what their users want.

I wonder how Roon works?

Otherwise, the quality is good and the functionality of the macOS app is fairly good (even if it is not as good as the old Sonos app, but those days seem to be gone.)

Collaborator II
May 17, 2024

@jorwin,

Yes you can use Roon to control and play music via airplay. However is not able to control deeper Sonos functions for example sleep timers etc - mind you the sonos app is utterly incapable of doing that also.

The stupid thing is that Roon currently provides better functionality than the Sonos 1st party app. 
This just highlights how appalling this app launch has been.

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
May 18, 2024

but I will try to learn from you and make use of the Sonos devices as I can.

You/others would be wise to do the latter because Sonos audio hardware is excellent. Natural sounding, well built for looks and reliability. My 12 units have worked flawlessly since 2011 - from 2020, using S1.

I refused to move to S2, and will stick with S1 till the hardware dies a natural death, because as I said, the hardware lacks for nothing when it works without glitches, as it does now under S1.

I also see reports that Sonos will soon reopen the downgrade to S1 path, and it might be worth waiting for that before throwing away Sonos hardware. Using S1, local NAS play should be back to how it has been since the time Sonos came to market.

Collaborator II
May 18, 2024

@Kumar 

The majority of my rooms use an amp/port to stream the music and are paired with other equipment.

The only room currently using sonos speakers is the master bedroom.

These will stay, more for convenience (ie not having to redecorate if I remove the arc from the wall) than anything else.

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
Local Superstar
May 18, 2024

@jorwin,

Yes you can use Roon to control and play music via airplay. However is not able to control deeper Sonos functions for example sleep timers etc - mind you the sonos app is utterly incapable of doing that also.

The stupid thing is that Roon currently provides better functionality than the Sonos 1st party app. 
This just highlights how appalling this app launch has been.

Roon costs euro 180 per year.  There are free open source solutions which can liberate your hardware investments from Big Corporates 😀😁😎

It's the courageous bee's knees - all 6 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝. - - - - - Make Sonos Great Again - - - - -
May 18, 2024

@Kumar

The majority of my rooms use an amp/port to stream the music and are paired with other equipment.

The only room currently using sonos speakers is the master bedroom.

These will stay, more for convenience (ie not having to redecorate if I remove the arc from the wall) than anything else.

Amp/port both have line in jacks that can free you from the yoke of the Sonos app, once you have used it to configure the line in on the port/amp, by setting that to autoplay. Thereafter any source plugged into the line in jack just has to start playing for it to be heard downstream of port/amp, from the speakers at the downstream end.

Collaborator II
May 18, 2024

@castalla there is the potential for an “out of the frying pan into the fire situation” especially given that it is now ultimately owned by Samsung.
But there was an announcement in early Feb (after the takeover) that they are going back to focusing on local libraries (as Roon was a small company they were trying to expand more into the streaming side of things to try and expand, somewhat annoying their existing user base which sounds familiar 🤣 - although to be fair they didn’t break everything in the process).

Currently I am in a trial period and I do like it a lot and am minded to get a yearly subscription. 

Obviously this could all go **** up, but at this point Roon do not seem to have a history of catastrophic decision making at board level.

 

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All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
Local Superstar
May 18, 2024

@castalla there is the potential for an “out of the frying pan into the fire situation” especially given that it is now ultimately owned by Samsung.
But there was an announcement in early Feb (after the takeover) that they are going back to focusing on local libraries (as Roon was a small company they were trying to expand more into the streaming side of things to try and expand, somewhat annoying their existing user base which sounds familiar 🤣 - although to be fair they didn’t break everything in the process).

Currently I am in a trial period and I do like it a lot and am minded to get a yearly subscription. 

Obviously this could all go **** up, but at this point Roon do not seem to have a history of catastrophic decision making at board level.

 

Well, it's certainly one way out of the Sonos Fiasco.  

I think the pricing is steep if you are a more casual user (and there are free open source alternatives) 

I also think the hardware requirements to run the Roon server are excessive.  They are releasing a dedicated 'cheaper' server (500) in June, but it's about a foot square black box (hardly unobtrusive)..

At the very least, it will be a solution for some frustrated Sonosees (or Sonosistas) 😝😁😎

It's the courageous bee's knees - all 6 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝. - - - - - Make Sonos Great Again - - - - -
Collaborator II
May 18, 2024

I agree it’s a bit pricey for the subscription, but I avoided the need for a dedicated Roon server as I already had a nas.

I was a bit worried how the NAS would cope, as it currently runs my security camera setup as well. I have been running it for 5 days and have not run into any issues of drop outs or the nas cpu being overworked.

So far all is good. Not sure this would be the correct route for everyone, but it is currently working well for me.

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
Local Superstar
May 18, 2024

I'm not really into the hugely graphic-oriented interfaces except for where the artwork counts, album covers, radio metadata.  Sonos fails miserably at streaming metadata (always has) & the the new shiny Courageous App is possibly even worse than the original.  

I guess you might like the Roon music & Artist information feature. 

Anyway, enjoy your choice!

 

ps: now they've 'fixed' the Alarm clock business, maybe posts might become more constructive.  1000s of squids for a musical alarm clock? Beats me ⏰😋😁

It's the courageous bee's knees - all 6 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝. - - - - - Make Sonos Great Again - - - - -