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August 13, 2018

Wi-Fi emissions

  • August 13, 2018
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Can you make your Sonos have no Wi-Fi signal at all?
My step had has been reading that Wi-FI and EMF are bad for you. so I’m not allowed to buy anything that as a Wi-Fi Signal. Any suggestion?
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    ratty
    June 26, 2019
    I wish people did more research before spewing comments like these. I happen to have taken an interest to RF and read a few studies and papers on the subject.
    References?

    They emit 3-4x more proven harmful RF power than my ubiquiti wifi APs at full power.

    References which show that WiFi is in any way harmful?

    move the sonos to my wifi to reduce the number of emitting devices and reduce the intensity of the signal which would then follow wifi protocol instead of Sonosnet.

    SonosNet is WiFi, at the physical level.

    My paper search shows that the sonos emits ... several million times what you get from the sun.

    Good grief. We definitely need references for this one.
    anhmantran
    Trending Lyricist I
    June 26, 2019
    I collected my own data as my post mentioned, I have my own RF meter and Spectrum scanner. I am an engineer and physicist.

    Reference for wifi being harmful... quick google and you will find hundreds of articles and studies. Some sites are a bit shady taking advantage to try to sell you something but... the actual serious data is there too.

    https://emfinfo.org/PDFs/Information%20about%20EMFs%20&%20Safety%20Levels%20D%202-25-14.pdf
    https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/10-shocking-facts-health-dangers-wifi/

    There is nothing special about wifi that makes it not harmful. It is in the microwave frequencies which have been proven to alter genes even at the lowest power. It is the same frequency your microwave runs at to heat your food. Because 2.4GHz and 900MHz are unregulated does not make them not harmful.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS1gQgnUf5A&list=PLQUtszwcl8KXsDD4tBeamIqhTeAx1byei&index=22&t=0s

    And sonosnet is not wifi. You would see it if I could show you my Spectrum scanner results. It is similar in that It uses the same spectrum and channel but does not respect the protocols related to power savings. It reuses some of the channels within the band to link to other speakers to create a mesh. The spectrum analyzer goes bonkers with a massive wide and intense mark when it is on. In essence it is much worse. Almost everything you read is on wifi. My UAP AC HD reads 180-200mW/m2 at mac transmit power. Every SONOS speaker reads 250mW/m2 at idle and spikes up to 1W/m2 when playing. The lowest proven power to have caused cancer is 2mW/m2... All measurements taken with the meter probe right on the device. Obviously the power decreases in a square function of distance. So you get below that 2mW/m2 at about 6ft from the sonos.
    ratty
    June 26, 2019
    The first link is broken with a 404.

    In any case, let's have some reputable sources.
    anhmantran
    Trending Lyricist I
    June 26, 2019
    Sorry I really don't feel the need to convince you. I have no idea where you got your information from (you ask for source) but my assessment is based on my own data on the emissions. The impact on health is part common sense, part studies which big corporates (not sonos but rather the communication industry) is burying by saying we need more data...

    Bad URL decode sorry. https://emfinfo.org/PDFs/Info about EMFs & Safety Levels.pdf
    I only gave you reliable sources from doctors/non profits. This PDF gives you reference to studies and various organizations recommendations.

    This is my scanners: This is sonosnet on chanel 1. Note the other wifi being relatively low on the other channel. Note also that the analyser did not recognize the SSID because... well it is not exactly wifi.


    And now with sonos net disabled (only wifi left) Notice the red which is the very high amplitude. The height is the frequency that channel is being powered.

    ratty
    June 26, 2019
    I have no idea where you got your information from
    I wasn't advancing any information. I was merely querying the selective use of sources from the great unfiltered ocean that is the internet. For those inclined to believe in conspiracies I'm afraid there's precious little that can convince them otherwise.

    Note also that the analyser did not recognize the SSID because... well it is not exactly wifi.

    The SSID is not recognised because ... it's not broadcast. The players use standard WiFi chipsets.
    Trending Lyricist I
    June 26, 2019
    Sometimes people need to condense their overall anxieties and direct them towards an easily defined entity. Vaccinations, anyone?
    anhmantran
    Trending Lyricist I
    June 26, 2019
    Sometimes people need to condense their overall anxieties and direct them towards an easily defined entity. Vaccinations, anyone?

    Don't even get me started on this...

    The point is that sonosnet is emitting way more than wifi. There is a scientific debate already about how much RF is harmful with no consensus mostly because of the lack of consistent long term data showing that it has an effect. Emphasis on "consistent" because there is already some data. It is like good engineering: before releasing a product, one should run the thing until it fails and get enough statistical showing where it fails. Most of what we get (including vaccination) get validated (certified) with only inconsistent data showing that it does not fail short term.
    I have nothing to gain from sharing this. I am just reporting what I am finding. Heck I have 15 sonos speakers in my house with no intention of getting rid of them. They just emit 4X the power of any other wifi device and there is already more and more data indicating that the wifi certification level is too high for health. I would really want to reduce the transmit power of these if someone found how to... When I map the wifi signal on my unifi system, the signal strength of the sonos speakers are way too high for where they are and certainly are causing problems for other devices. It's like someone screaming really loud over the same frequency others need to communicate on.
    ratty
    June 26, 2019
    When I map the wifi signal on my unifi system, the signal strength of the sonos speakers are way too high for where they are
    On the basis of multiple tests, under entirely controlled conditions, as is required for certification by the regulatory authorities? I'm sure I don't need to point out the effects of reflection, attenuation and the inverse square law...
    jgatie
    June 26, 2019
    There is no legitimate scientific debate.

    And please stop with the vaxxer nonsense. Whackadoodle theories about non-ionizing radiation only affects the whackadoodles. Anti-vaccination people put the entire rest of the human race at risk, especially the weakest among us. They should be thrown in jail.
    chicks
    June 26, 2019
    Funny, Sonos uses bog standard, off the shelf, plugin WiFi cards in all their devices. Hard to imagine they emit any more radiation than any other WiFi device.