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Contributor I
October 28, 2015
Question

When is Echo Support coming?

  • October 28, 2015
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Hi Guys,

Let me start off by saying I love you guys. I have a Playbar, Play 5, Play 3, Connect, and am looking to complete my Playbar setup with a couple of Play 1's and a Sub soon.

I also have an Amazon Echo and it is awesome. In fact, it's a bit too awesome and I find myself asking Alexa to play music just because if I want to hear a song, all I have to do is ask; I don't have to bust out my phone. The problem is the speakers on the Echo are mediocre at best. I would much prefer the sound to come out of my Sonos system. With the "internet of things" really starting to take off - integration is going to become more and more important.

Amazon Echo has sort of a plugins-type interface called skills. https://developer.amazon.com/public/solutions/alexa/alexa-skills-kit/getting-started-guide
It would be amazing if you guys could create an skill for Sonos. Something like "Alexa, tell Sonos to play *playlist*." or music by _____ or x from pandora.

I've done some searching and this comes up on this forum a lot. I think it's time you started listening to your community. With skills you no longer need much help from Amazon so its on you to keep your customers happy. Please do not start your own voice recognition or anything silly like that. Stick to what you're great at. Just use what is already available and on the markets and integrate with them.

Thanks
-Collin
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    71 replies

    Lyricist II
    March 4, 2016
    With that being said, amazon is releasing this http://www.amazon.com/b/?node=14047587011. Unfortunately it only supports 3.5mm output. So in theory, we just need a way that this device can override the current output and we're in business.

    If by "override the current output" you mean have the line-in on a Play:5, Connect:Amp, or Connect automatically switch over when it senses audio input, that can be done now by turning on Autoplay in the settings menu. As to there only being a 3.5mm output, the Play:5 input is already 3.5mm, and there are adapters to convert 3.5mm to RCA for the Connects.


    Is there a way to set priority on something like that? What I mean by override is if I am watching TV and I say "alexa", I want the audio to switch to the echo, and when its done switch back.
    jgatie
    March 4, 2016
    No. The Autoplay function simply senses input on the analog line-in (or digital optical on the Playbar) and switches to that source. Switching back is manual.
    EmAyArSe
    Trending Lyricist I
    March 4, 2016
    We also still don't know if Amazon are interested in allowing third parties access to their voice control technology.
    Actually, they have a complete portal https://developer.amazon.com/appsandservices/solutions/devices/echo along with fully documented API's and code examples for developers to integrate with anything you could want.
    Lyricist II
    March 4, 2016
    We also still don't know if Amazon are interested in allowing third parties access to their voice control technology.
    Actually, they have a complete portal https://developer.amazon.com/appsandservices/solutions/devices/echo along with fully documented API's and code examples for developers to integrate with anything you could want.


    Yeah I already covered this above 😉
    Contributor I
    March 10, 2016
    Checking back in several months later.

    As a compromise you might consider getting an Echo Dot and connecting it to the line-in of your Sonos player in the room or rooms you most often listen to music in. This would give you both the convenience of Echo plus the sound quality of Sonos. You could also share the Echo Dot sound with other rooms via Sonos and still use Sonos in the traditional old fashioned app control way if you wanted to listen to your local music library.

    Thats exactly what I'm doing now that the Echo Dot has a line-out. Going to connect it to the line-in on my Play 5. Using the autoplay will let it override whats currently playing. I think this works with groups also. Interested to see how it plays with my PLAY BAR if the TV will take back control or whatnot. Still would like to see some sort of official integration fron SONOS.

    We also still don't know if Amazon are interested in allowing third parties access to their voice control technology.

    Actually, Echo is extendable by third parties. They have a whole API around it. This is just SONOS not caring.
    Chris
    Lead Maestro
    March 10, 2016
    I would think they would go about the direction of adding Sonos skills to the existing echo.

    Users would buy the inexpensive Echo Dot and use it for voice control of Sonos units.

    It wouldn't take a lot to provide that integration fairly rapidly utilizing the support for 3rd party development that Amazon has in place.

    I wouldn't think a Sonos unit with Echo hardware/software integrated would be the answer - but Echo ability to control Sonos. Especially now that Echo can be purchased in speakerless form.

    For me right now adding the Echo Dot I have to hardwire the Dot to my Play:5 and utilize Echo to play music when doing by voice. Echo is limited in only being able to pull music for a couple different services. Really just Amazon Prime Music and a few free internet radio type services like Pandora. So my voice control of music playing will be limited to those few services with the Dot connected to Play:5.

    However, by adding Sonos skills to Echo you should be able to tap into all the Sonos resources. Such as Skill " Alexa play Sonos artist *, song *"

    Using Smartthings I can currently ask Echo to turn on/turn off Sonos or create some playlists in Smartthings that I can then trigger from Echo. Fairly basic stuff already can do....but imagine if Sonos developed its own Echo skill.
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    Contributor I
    March 10, 2016
    Chris,

    Does that mean you have changed your mind on:

    I personally want Sonos to devote no effort to this. There are plenty of other wish list items to work on and spend development time on that are not niche device support (better suited to third party development through API)

    And that you'd be okay with them developing a basic Alexa skill to allow integration between the two APIs?

    🙂
    Chris
    Lead Maestro
    March 10, 2016
    We'll I do still stand on the side of it not really being essential to the experience vs. more of a convienience. However, I will admit being rather short sighted at the potential of Echo. I wasn't aware until I got mine how they had embraced third party development of skills vs. the likes of Siri where it is such a closed environment I would hate for anyone to devote resources to.

    However - - while it is nice that it appears to be coming and high on their list of the direction Sonos wants to go. I would actually still say it would not be near the top of my list of things I would like to see implemented on Sonos.

    I would still rather see Sonos devote energy to things such as party mode, surround sound improved capability and improvements, additional search options etc. vs. voice control. But I'm certainly not upset that they are implementing voice control. I don't see the CEO putting out an announcement that they think Party Mode options in their controller is the direction forward for the company.

    I will say Echo is still rather limited in what it can do vs. the likes of Siri but the third party ability of Echo is what sets it apart and I was wrong in not realizing the effort Amazon has gone to in promoting an Echo Ecosystem. Amazon needs Echo to increase rapidly in its abilities. I have to say when I got mine a few weeks ago I wasn't all that impressed with its abilities out of the box. It wasn't until I added Smartthings and Logitech Harmony integration to it that it became less a gimmick device and more of a useful appliance.

    And while I was take it or leave it on my Echo. The Dot to me opens up a good deal more things with the lower price (more affordable for multiple units) and the audio output (integrate to my play:5 already in kitchen).

    So my original full Echo - to the bedroom. Dot to remain in kitchen most likely. Although I could put dot in my bedroom and hook to the connect input I have in there.
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    Chris
    Lead Maestro
    March 10, 2016
    What I really need is a dot now in both locations.

    Biggest wish now is that one echo could control another.
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    Contributor I
    March 10, 2016
    What I really need is a dot now in both locations.
    Biggest wish now is that one echo could control another.


    I'll admit to having pre-ordered 2 dots and have the same questions. I guess I'll find out when the Dots come in. I'm sure there will be some quirks to get used to, but we are both taking the same route for integration via Play:5 and autoplay. I suspect I'll have my Playbar on a separate group to keep my TV sound separate and the rest of my SONOS in another group for autoplay.

    Also, thank you for admitting the potential now that you've used echo 🙂