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Avid Contributor I
February 5, 2022

setting up S1

  • February 5, 2022
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In my old S1 and S2 systems I could access my extensive music library on a SAMSUNG SSD attached to the primary ASUS XT8 router.

Unfortunately, my SONOS Sonnect, 5 Play1 and a SONOS ONE are S2, after major issues trying to set up S2 on ASUS XT8 Mesh network without success and having to destroy the old system and build a new one from scratch using SONOS net
Play1 attached to the primary ASUS XT8  router.

I am now unable to connect the music library (SAMBA share) to S2

 

WILL THIS WORK?

All play1, 'sonos one' and Connect are currently S2
 
I have a disconnected bridge still on S1
 
Is it possible to:
 
0) Wire Bridge to router
 
1) Factory reset all Play1 and Connect
 
2) Set up an S1 system starting with Bridge 
 
3) Add 5 Play1 and Connect to new S1 system
 
4) THEN disconnect Bridge and wire the Play1 to router
 
5) THEN add music library.
 
6) THEN convert to S2
 
7) THEN add SONOS ONE speaker?
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ratty
February 5, 2022

2) Set up an S1 system starting with Bridge 

The plan fails at this crucial step. You’d need an S1 player, not a Bridge, to rebuild an S1 system.

 

I don’t understand why your Samba share is not accessible on the S2 system. Which version of SMB does it use? Is there a username/password? Is it accessible from a PC on the network? What does the shared folder path look like?

Albert_8Author
Avid Contributor I
February 5, 2022

Hi Ratty, thanks - so I need a “virgin” play1 to starrt S1 - thanks for the tip.

I was trying to use ASUS Zen WiFi because initially the SONOS ONE kept dropping off SONOSNET - I still see many PHY errors on some speakers.

 

Wifi6 2.4GHz and 5GHz (1 and 2) MESH signal strength is excellent to very good (-40 db to -85 db)

 

192.168.xxx.1 is the ASUS ZenwFi_XT-2790 router to which the play1 and the computer are both attached via an unmanaged switch.

 

Most speakers refused to have their network settings updated to the mesh network’s when I set up the new SONOS S2 system wireless after factory resetting everything, though they made melodious chimes and pings but stalled when “updating network settings” so I went ovcer the lot again and set it up with .4 wired via a Gbit switch to the router .1

Signal strength of SONOSNET has some weaknessesesp. in kitchen - see below

 

As for music library, I have no idea why it does not work  - case number ********

Music Library (6Gb)  worked until i rebuilt the s2 system after all attempts to set up S2 with 3x XT8 mesh WiFi failed - even after resetting and putting them all on a table next to the router and switching off the other mesh nodes!

 

music library path is \\ip-address\SHARENAME\Directory or \\devicename\Sharename\directory

it can be accessed via windows explorer no problem but in sonos, it keeps saying


'//192.168.xxx.1/RAS/music' is no longer available. The device where the music files are stored may not be powered on, or the path may have changed.
Go to Settings > System > Music Library > Music Library Setup to check the path.”

 

'//ZenWiFi_XT8-2790/RAS/music' is no longer available. The device where the music files are stored may not be powered on, or the path may have changed.
Go to Settings > System > Music Library > Music Library Setup to check the path.

 

plain SAMBA to a SAMSUNG SSD on the router’s usb3 port
 

 

this is the set-up

Associated Product: (ip address) ………...244
---------------------------------
Play:1: Bedroom
Serial Number: B8-E9-37-B1-61-20:4
Sonos OS: S2
Version: 14.0 (build 67125031)
Hardware Version: 1.8.3.7-2.0
Series ID: A101
IP Address: ………..236
WM: 0
OTP:
---------------------------------
Play:1: corridor
Serial Number: 5C-AA-FD-42-F0-8A:0
Sonos OS: S2
Version: 14.0 (build 67125031)
Hardware Version: 1.8.3.7-2.0
Series ID: A101
IP Address: ………...2
WM: 0
OTP:
---------------------------------
Play:1: Den
Serial Number: 78-28-CA-23-1E-06:1
Sonos OS: S2
Version: 14.0 (build 67125031)
Hardware Version: 1.20.1.6-2.1
Series ID: A200
IP Address: …………...4
WM: 0
---------------------------------
Play:1: Dining (L)
Serial Number: 5C-AA-FD-42-F0-80:7
Sonos OS: S2
Version: 14.0 (build 67125031)
Hardware Version: 1.8.3.7-2.0
Series ID: A101
IP Address: ………....244
WM: 0
OTP:
---------------------------------
Play:1: Dining (R)
Serial Number: B8-E9-37-83-16-8E:A
Sonos OS: S2
Version: 14.0 (build 67125031)
Hardware Version: 1.8.3.7-2.0
Series ID: A101
IP Address: …………..52
WM: 0
OTP:
---------------------------------
Sonos One: Kitchen
Serial Number: 54-2A-1B-F5-57-98:1
Sonos OS: S2
Version: 14.0 (build 67125031)
Hardware Version: 1.26.1.7-2.1
Series ID: A201
IP Address:………...123
WM: 0
---------------------------------
Connect: Living
Serial Number: 94-9F-3E-B9-7A-FE:B
Sonos OS: S2
Version: 14.0 (build 67125031)
Hardware Version: 1.22.1.5-2.1
Series ID: D102
IP Address: ……….89
WM: 0

 

Den ……………..4 connected to router (root of STP network?)

 

……...244 (Associated Product)

 

Moderator Note: Modified in accordance with the Community Code of Conduct - removed case number.

buzz
Grand Maestro
February 5, 2022

BRIDGE is S1 only. Anyway, until proven otherwise, assume that there is a hardware issue with BRIDGE. Typically, the power supplies fail intermittently. If you can measure voltage, BRIDGE’s power supply should be slightly over 5.0V. Less than this you may experience multiple intermittent issues that are very difficult to catalog. If you cannot measure voltage, power down BRIDGE and wire another S1 unit until you get things running, then attempt to use BRIDGE for the S1 system.

Signal strength in the Bedroom is near the threshold of not working. Dining and Kitchen are not much better.

Albert_8Author
Avid Contributor I
February 5, 2022

Is it correct that if i find a speaker which is S1, I can set up all Play1 and the CONNECT on S1?
 

The current setup is with Play1 wired to ASUS XT8 mesh router wired to internet gateway

The Play1 provides SONOSNET

Borderline signals or not, the setup works in spite of reinforced concrete ceilings plus stone or tile floor on gravel and limestone walls. Kitchen SONOS ONE initially had dropoffs when placed where there had been a play1 indicating its radios are weak. Moving it around helped.

That is why i tried to migrate to pure wireless but “updating network settings” of speakers did not work - lots of complaints in the community about problems with SONOS on mesh networks.

 

ratty
February 5, 2022

As an experiment I’d rename the router from ZenWiFi_XT8-2790 to something with 15 characters or less, and only containing letters from a to z, the digits from 0 to 9, and the hyphen (-). There have been times in the past where Sonos has objected otherwise. (With a hard IP as the share address it shouldn’t logically matter, but it would worth a try.)

buzz
Grand Maestro
February 5, 2022

Up to 32 S1 units can be part of an S1 system.

Wireless signal viability varies in three dimensions, inch by inch. Unless the antennas of two units can be positioned in exactly the same location and orientation you cannot compare performance. Also, humans are essentially bags of water and water absorbs microwave energy. If a lot of water bags enter the room or the bags are moved around, signal strength will vary. Kitchen, Dining, and Bedroom are near the low end of signal strength viability. If conditions deteriorate for some reason, they’ll drop off the network.

Fortunately, you have very little interference in your area. (low noise floor and ODFM) If BRIDGE is proven to still be usable, moving it to a wired or wireless position about midway between strong and weak coverage areas will help a unit in a weak area. BOOST is more effective than BRIDGE.

buzz
Grand Maestro
February 5, 2022

With respect to kitchens, some microwave ovens can be troublemakers while operating.

ratty
February 5, 2022

The ‘Living’ node is well placed to act as relay -- and is already doing so for ‘Dining’/L. Other nodes which struggle with a direct connection to ‘Den’ would have the option of doing likewise.

Albert_8Author
Avid Contributor I
February 6, 2022

I have a disconnected bridge so it is irrelevant what it does. The thing connected to the router is
Play:1: Den; Serial Number: 78-28-CA-23-1E-06:1; Sonos OS: S2; Version: 14.0 (build 67125031); Hardware Version: 1.20.1.6-2.1; Series ID: A200; IP Address: …………...4; WM: 0


S2 can attach a music folder from the windows controller - the music folder is on the PC connected to the same switch as the play1 and the first router

A ) Could I change WiFi settings on the devices via the web interface port 1400?

B ) Could I register the location of the music library //192.168.50.1/RAS/music via the web interface port 1400?

C ) The speakers are set to region USA and it seems to need a password (which?) to be able to change it to EU

D) while SONOS seems to use multicast on its SONOSNET, my IPdecoders, though they connect if I set the router to multicast, have issues with the interactive functionality of the TV (fast forward, rewind etc. jerk around erratically)  - WOULD WiFi only set-up work without multicast?, seeing that all devices register with no problem on the Mesh network (you can “pin them down” to prevent there roaming between mesh nodes via the mesh network desktop gui)
 

 

ratty
February 6, 2022

A ) No

B ) No

C ) Where are you seeing a region setting? If it’s on your Sonos account simply change it there.

D ) Multicast seems rather a red herring. You surely don’t have discovery problems locating the players. You have difficulty adding a share hosted on the ASUS main node. Did you try renaming it?