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Contributor I
May 19, 2020
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Add new components to old S1 system after S2 launch.

  • May 19, 2020
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Once S2 is released, will I still be able to buy new speakers and add them to a legacy system?

 

I know that every time I add a new speaker to my existing system, it forces me to update every controller and speaker to the latest version before bringing the new speaker online.  (That’s how I lost the ability to use old controllers, even though we don’t use any features that weren’t there 10 years ago.)

It would cost thousands to replace my legacy speakers (that are still working well), and our most common usage case is “party mode” with everything linked together and in sync, so a split system is not appealing.

We’ve been working our way through the facility, buying another speaker every six months.  Do I have to hurry up and buy the rest of the rooms before June? 

 

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Best answer by Corry P

Hi Folks

I realise this is an old topic, but it is a popular one, plus there’s been a lot of confusion on this thread so I’ll try to clear some things up for you all.

Once S2 is released, will I still be able to buy new speakers and add them to a legacy system?

Yes, as long as they are not S2 only devices (Five, Sub gen 3, Arc).

We’ve been working our way through the facility, buying another speaker every six months.  Do I have to hurry up and buy the rest of the rooms before June?

No. There’s no hurry. In fact, there’s no need - your system will continue to work on S1 for the foreseeable future, and as you can add new devices, you’re not locked-in either.

 

Devices that are S1 Compatible only will only work on S1 (it’s in the label). Newly designed devices (currently Arc, Five, Sub gen 3) will only work on S2. See our Sonos S2 Compatibility page for the full lists of devices. All other devices will work on either S1 or S2, and can be moved at will between them, but will need a factory reset prior to being added to either S1 or S2 (the light should be flashing green).


To be clear, if you buy a S1/S2 compatible device (like a Sonos Amp, for example) you can add it to a S1 or S2 system. Devices that already have S2 firmware installed from the factory can be added to an S1 system only if there are existing devices on S1 already. If you do not have existing devices on S1, a product loaded with S2 cannot create a S1 system.


When adding a product to either S1 or S2, the system will update it. It will only update to the most recent version available, so if your system is not up to date, the entire system will be updated. If you are avoiding updates as your controller OS is out-of-date, you will need to update your controller(s) to continue using your Sonos equipment (if you allow the update), or at least to add more units.


S1 and S2 OS requirements for your controllers are the same, and will likely remain that way, though I cannot guarantee this will remain the case going forward - the changes in our OS requirements are often due to the requirements of our music/voice service partners. In addition, it is inefficient to test software on out-of-date OSes that should no longer be in use due to security concerns. Our current controller OS requirements can be found on our Sonos App Requirements help page. Please also check our Unsupported OS Versions page for partially supported OS version that allow you to select and play music to rooms, but not configure your Sonos system.


An S1 system will not update itself to S2 without you (or someone on your network) installing the S2 app. If you want your system to be in one piece (all rooms available on one app) and you have both S1 only devices and those willing to run on S2, don’t install the S2 app. If you’re willing to have a split system, with some rooms on S1 and some on S2, the upgrade should be done from the S1 app - Settings » System » System Tools » System Compatibility Check. After this, your S1 products will be reset and you will need to setup a new system on S1 consisting only of your S1 only devices. This is so your S1 and S2 units do not consider themselves as parts of the same system.

 

With all that said, I think you will find that S2 is quite good, and continues to get better with every release.

I hope this clears things up for you all. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.

73 replies

Airgetlam
May 19, 2020

I wouldn’t expect it to be any different than it is currently. You’d open your controller, use the “add a device” feature, and it would be sure to copy over whichever version of the software that your system is running on.

 

Bruce
jgatie
May 19, 2020

Once S2 is released, will I still be able to buy new speakers and add them to a legacy system?

 

I know that every time I add a new speaker to my existing system, it forces me to update every controller and speaker to the latest version before bringing the new speaker online.  (That’s how I lost the ability to use old controllers, even though we don’t use any features that weren’t there 10 years ago.)

It would cost thousands to replace my legacy speakers (that are still working well), and our most common usage case is “party mode” with everything linked together and in sync, so a split system is not appealing.

We’ve been working our way through the facility, buying another speaker every six months.  Do I have to hurry up and buy the rest of the rooms before June? 

 

 

You won’t be able to add new S2 based devices like the Five or Arc, but you can add items that are for sale now.  

Contributor I
May 20, 2020

I’m OK with not adding new style products.

I am worried that it will be the same as it is currently… where I’m forced into an upgrade with each addition, and that is going to mean changing  to S2

melvimbe
May 20, 2020

I’m OK with not adding new style products.

I am worried that it will be the same as it is currently… where I’m forced into an upgrade with each addition, and that is going to mean changing  to S2

 

S1 and S2 are two different systems. You likely will be required to update to the most current version of S1, but you won’t be required to switch over to the S2 system.

Danny
controlav
Lead Maestro
May 20, 2020

I agree with the posters above, but the only possible problem is if Sonos shipped systems with S2 firmware already. While they have to do this for the newest hardware, if they also did this for existing modern products then I don’t believe you could add those to an S1 system.

This is all speculation until Sonos actually ship something though.

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Contributor I
May 22, 2020

Sad conversation with Sonos tech support (waited a long time, but wanted to get it straight from the source.)

The "am I on latest firmware" check is built into the system addition process.  The S1 controller will check for newer firmware when initiating the system addition, which will move it to S2.  And the modern S1 speakers that can take S2 will get the firmware update at the time of the addition.  It doesn't matter what they left the factory with, they move to latest version while being added to a system.

He emphasized that the incompatible systems are only.... the things that early adopters like me bought; and that they will support a split system. 

One of the initial problems Sonos solved for me was the unsynced sound coming from different radios tuned to the same station, which will probably return in a split system. 
My system will have to stop growing.  

May 22, 2020

@David Somers . I would not regard a response from tech support about this future situation as Sonos' definitive word on this.  The message is, as always, 'wait and see'.

melvimbe
May 22, 2020

Sad conversation with Sonos tech support (waited a long time, but wanted to get it straight from the source.)

The "am I on latest firmware" check is built into the system addition process.  The S1 controller will check for newer firmware when initiating the system addition, which will move it to S2.  And the modern S1 speakers that can take S2 will get the firmware update at the time of the addition.  It doesn't matter what they left the factory with, they move to latest version while being added to a system.

 

 

Obviously didn’t hear the conversion you had with tech support, but the above statement doesn’t make any sense to me.  I don’t see how or why an S1 controller would update a device to a version of firmware that doesn’t match it’s own firmware level and that it can’t itself control.  If this were true, every modern speaker would be updated to current S2 when the switch over happens and incapable of being in an S1 system, which Sonos had repeatedly said would not be the case.  I suspect that either the tech was mistaken or there was miscommunication somewhere.

It may be that a speaker that is already at a version higher than S1’s version level, because it was previously in an S2 system, can’t be added to an S1 system...but I highly, highly doubt that.  Most likely, the system will be able to add it, then recognize that it’s not on the version the S1 controller sees as the current correct version, and will update it accordingly.

Danny
Contributor I
May 23, 2020

Danny, perhaps the error is in how I referred to the controller in my post.  I mean to refer to whatever software you’re using.

Since the first (but not last) time I lost the ability to use an old device as a controller, I no longer perform regular system updates until I have no choice.  If you already are on the latest version you may never experience this…. When I add a new speaker, just after selecting “add Product”, I am prompted to update the controller to the latest version.  The options are upgrade or cancel, and if you cancel you exit out of the addition process.  Only after the upgrade completes are you able to begin the addition process, during which it brings the new addition and the existing speakers up to date.

 

I would love for someone to come along next month and prove that I misunderstood tech support.

May 23, 2020

My expectation is (and of course this is pure speculation and we will have to wait and see), that S1 and S2 will be totally different systems.

Within a system, you will be able to add new products (possibly from a limited range in S1) if and only if you are on the latest firmware for that system.  The prompt to update to the latest firmware will continue to appear in both systems.  But you will not be bumped up from S1 to S2 because that is a completely different system with different firmware.

The updates in the case of S1 will be just bug fixes and security patches, so controllers are extremely unlikely to go out of date with S1 updates.

On S2, system developments will continue to mean that controller devices and operating systems will eventually become only partially supported and then unsupported, as happens now,

I would nor be surprised if the S2 versioning restarted at 1.0, with S1 continuing from the existing numbering.  I don’t see any reason for any link between the two sets of version numbers.

Of course i could be completely wrong.