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You're sure of yourself! I knew when I posted you would have to respond with an answer like you did. But to post a statement this strong I didn't even expect from you. What is it you just have to defend Sonos till the end? It's a good product, but the best ever? There's more needed than bit perfect file transfer to get better sound.

I for one try to be curious of nature and have tried these products out in my own home on my own equipement. There are no wrong settings. Connected like you describe. Just a simple connection between the tested streamers and DAC. And I also try to leave room for other peoples' believes. As I am allright with it that you believe there's no difference between these systems.

But if that makes you happy I will leave this discussion be, for it is a clear as crystal that you do not want to hear anything critical about Sonos. Why still eludes me, but for the sake of it, let's by any means stop this discussion. It's obvious that when you cannot hear the difference, there's no question in your mind you're right and everybody else is wrong, so wrong. Well enjoy your bit perfect and supreme Sonos equipement that can never be bettered.



As you can tell from other posts here, your experience is unique. Could it ever be that because science states it is not possible for there to be differences, that you are unable to describe a mechanism for the differences outside of "more needed than bit perfect file transfer to get better sound" (a highly technical explanation if I've ever heard one) and, on top of that, all others who tested the exact same scenario agree with me, that maybe . . . just maybe . . . it is you who are wrong?

And I never said Sonos can never be bettered - Strawman argument. I simply said that the Sonos Connect is bit-perfect, so any differences you are hearing are not due to the Sonos output. Sonos can be improved in many ways, but the output from the Connect cannot, unless you are looking for better than "perfect?"

[quote]Ignorence is bliss.[/[/quote]

Truer words were never spoken.

Who cares about "can you hear a difference" or "what is better or not" and let's just look at the simple fact that a lot of people have a lot of 24/96 (or higher res) files that we want to play over our Sonos. So, just support the damn files already.

Who cares about "can you hear a difference" or "what is better or not" and let's just look at the simple fact that a lot of people have a lot of 24/96 (or higher res) files that we want to play over our Sonos. So, just support the damn files already.

The fact is, Sonos has formerly announced they are not going to support 24/96. Period. If you don't care about "can you hear a difference" or "what is better or not" then I suggest you resample the files to 16/44.1 and be done with it. You can very easily do this via any number of free programs. If resampling your files is too much of a chore, I suggest you take their announcement that they are not going to support 24/96 as gospel and begin your search for a replacement system which supports 24/96. Good luck finding one with the quality, reliability, and support of Sonos . . . all because of the stubborn refusal to resample the few files you have.

The few files I' have? Glad you know what I have and don't have. And glad you're happy passing the buck onto the customer rather than supporting what a lot of people are asking for.

Arrogance at its best. Because that's exactly what it is. To make the argument that "oh, it's easy to convert some files". You're right, it is... but that doesn't mean we should have to.

And, just to clarify, I can hear a difference. The fact that you can't doesn't make it so. I'd happily invite you to my home to listen and hear the clear difference.

The few files I' have? Glad you know what I have and don't have. And glad you're happy passing the buck onto the customer rather than supporting what a lot of people are asking for.

Arrogance at its best. Because that's exactly what it is. To make the argument that "oh, it's easy to convert some files". You're right, it is... but that doesn't mean we should have to.

And, just to clarify, I can hear a difference. The fact that you can't doesn't make it so. I'd happily invite you to my home to listen and hear the clear difference.

A carefully crafted, peer-reviewed study also proved that people cannot hear the difference between 24/96 files and their resampled 16/44.1 versions. I'll take peer-reviewed studies over placebo induced anecdotal claims of "golden ear" types any day. Oh, and one who claims to hear things that scientific studies have proven impossible to hear should take a moment to consider the irony of calling other people "arrogant."

The few files I' have? Glad you know what I have and don't have. And glad you're happy passing the buck onto the customer rather than supporting what a lot of people are asking for.

Arrogance at its best. Because that's exactly what it is. To make the argument that "oh, it's easy to convert some files". You're right, it is... but that doesn't mean we should have to.

And, just to clarify, I can hear a difference. The fact that you can't doesn't make it so. I'd happily invite you to my home to listen and hear the clear difference.
Leaving aside for a moment the issue of whether the difference is audible (and those in the know maintain it either isn't or could even sound worse), it's not just a question of magically turning on hi-res decode in the Players. Stream bandwidth would increase by a factor of 3 (or 6 in the case of 24/192), and SonosNet isn't going to cope with that while continuing to support 32 Players. Sure, one could wire everywhere, but it hardly fits with "The Wireless HiFi System".

A carefully crafted, peer-reviewed study also proved that people cannot hear the difference between 24/96 files and their resampled 16/44.1 versions. I'll take peer-reviewed studies over placebo induced anecdotal claims of "golden ear" types any day. Oh, and one who claims to hear things that scientific studies have proven impossible to hear should take a moment to consider the irony of calling other people "arrogant."

First you tell me how few files I have then you tell me what I can and can't hear.

Doesn't sound like arrogance at all.

Stream bandwidth would increase.

Yes... it's too bad wifi speeds have topped out and faster wifi will never come along.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11

But, why be ready.

How does faster WiFi technology help my existing Sonos players? Hint: it doesn't. Sonos doesn't use WiFi, but as a Sonos owner, you already know that.

The flac conversion takes seconds. Yes, in total, it will take time, especially if the files are spread out through your library. If that amount of time isn't worth it, then don't do the conversion and continue to play them on whatever non-Sonos player you like.

They're not going to play on your Sonos, whether you can hear a difference, whether it takes time to convert, or whether you get a faster router. It is what it is.

Yes... it's too bad wifi speeds have topped out and faster wifi will never come along.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11

But, why be ready.
A significant architectural overhaul, incompatible with the 2.5+ million units out there, for unproven technical reasons and to cater for a niche (hires) of a niche (lossless) of the market? Sonos appear to have more sense of where their business opportunities lie.