Zp 24/96

(at least until i find the perfect streamer, which i am still hoping will be the zp100).
The ZP100 is the older version of the ZP120.

Yeah, but I think it's clear he meant the next iteration of the ZP90. 🙂

woops okay zp130 then 😛

+++++++++++++++++ for At least 96/24 support

Well it happened to the movie sound.

Dolby True HD and DTS-master audios are a major improvements in that area.

Compareing with the old Dolby-digital I really can here and feel the difference.

Thank you Hollywood


Why not with Sonos ?

Compareing with the old Dolby-digital I really can here and feel the difference.
I suspect the majority -- if not all -- of the audible differences between DD5.1 and the new systems can be attributed to the fact that TrueHD and DTS-Master use lossless codecs.

I suspect the majority -- if not all -- of the audible differences between DD5.1 and the new systems can be attributed to the fact that TrueHD and DTS-Master use lossless codecs.

Exactly. DD vs TrueHD isn't analogous to comparing FLAC 16/44 w/ FLAC 24/96, it's comparing MP3 w/ FLAC 16/44.

Although DD and DTS-HD codecs do have a larger dynamic range than the non-HD counterparts, the same as 24-bit lossless music audio does over 16-bit lossless.

The song remains the same, and it's not in hires. Sonos' release of the Play:3 prompted me to check-up again on this forum; because I read that it will "stream all the music on Earth". Well not if it's 24bit it won't!!

Just to contend some of Keith's points:

"Firstly a key fact:
Developing this capability will take time and cost money and will take development resources away from other feature developments."

Fact? You seriously expect me to believe that Sonos develops and produces sound chips and DACs from scratch, bespoke? I find that very unlikely and uneconomical if they do. Surely they just buy them off the shelf like all the other manufacturers of streamers do? In which case, the development is simply a matter of: "Yes, I'll take that one, the one with the hires capability please." The lines of code required to make the OS recognise and handle hires files would not be a massive undertaking.

"That is indisputable." Yes, it is. I'm disputing it.

"The small, but vocal, group of hires true believers think that there is no other feature more beneficial, popular, or obvious than hires and that it should be developed as a priority."

I said the exact opposite to that: I stated that I embraced the variety of user requests, even those I have no interest in, and supported them; just as I hoped others would support our request for hires file support.

"However, many others believe hires is a waste of time as there is yet to be anything buy apocryphal evidence that hires formats actually sound better. Most of the properly conducted scientific studies conclude that noone (or at best, a vanishingly small number of people) can hear the difference between equivalent hires and standard res. In any case, the number of sources of hires music compared to those for standard or compressed music is also vanishingly small."

Quote and reference the "scientific studies" please, or I can't comment. I will believe that a lot of people can't hear the difference as it would in large part depend on the quality of the systems they are playing their music through. I would simply ask that people try this themselves. If you play music through cheap PC speakers or $5 headphones, then don't bother, hires won't sound any better.

"The people who believe that also believe that the money, time, and other resources required to develop it would be better spent on other more beneficial and/or mainstream capabilities. This is a perfectly valid and rational argument."

Yes it is, as is my viewpoint. As I said previously, and again above, I don't argue against others wishes for "more beneficial" capabilities. Sonos should be perfectly capable of developing solutions for all users.

I'm sorry some of you are having problems playing hires files above. My, very old, Squeezebox plays them fine through my amplifier with music served from a Windows Home Server I built myself, if that's of any help. I can also listen to them when I'm at my PC with its humble RealTek integrated audio (Sonos take note). Previously, I used MonkeyMedia, but prefer Songbird as a player now. Good luck to hires supporters out there. I cannot see any joy coming from this forum nor Sonos. Think I'll check back when you can't buy a chip that doesn't play 24bit 96kHz files any more. The functionality will then be available whether Sonos likes it or not.

Quote and reference the "scientific studies" please, or I can't comment. I will believe that a lot of people can't hear the difference as it would in large part depend on the quality of the systems they are playing their music through. I would simply ask that people try this themselves. If you play music through cheap PC speakers or $5 headphones, then don't bother, hires won't sound any better.

Read the thread, at least one study has been listed and quoted. Although your statement would seem to reinforce Keith's point that this is a small, but vocal minority (i.e. Those that can afford the necessary gear, or own the "golden ears") who wishes for this this capability.

Oh and by the way, the people who are skeptical against this coming to fruition aren't worried about 24 bit chips, they are worried about seamless integration with all other Sonos zones. If you had really read the thread with a mind open to other ideas, you'd know that.

Enjoy your Squeezebox and WHS based music. Though I must say, if I were so pleased with the results of my new solution, you wouldn't find me within 30 links of the forum for the old, inadequate one. Sour grapes . . . or maybe envy? 😉