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Contributor I
May 9, 2023
Answered

ERA 100 connected to Bluetooth turntable and Feeding 9 speaker sonosnet system drops sonosnet speakers every couple of minutes - then auto reconnects after ~10 seconds.

Pushing the envelope of SONOS Technology - and having trouble.

The Setup: 
ERA 100 connected to Pro-ject T1 BT turntable via bluetooth and playing a record
ERA 100 setup via Wifi
Additional 8 room whole house system on Sonosnet and all connected to ERA 100 to listen to the turntable


The issue: 
When I use the ERA 100 as the source to drive my 8 speaker whole house system, after about 10 minutes of the entire 9 speaker system all outputting the turntable music perfectly, I start to get sonosnet dropouts.  The single ERA 100 never has a dropouts and continues to play the music via bluetooth from the turntable flawlessly for hours.  The 8 speakers in the Sonosnet system all start to dropout at roughly the same time and they come back up automatically after 5-10 seconds in random order.  It is as if the Sonos system drops the entire sonosnet system, then reconnects.  The perplexing part is I get perfect connectivity for about 10 minutes, then I get sonosnet dropouts every 2-3 minutes that last 5-10 seconds and that continues indefinitely.

The ERA 100 has a very strong wifi signal and I have a 1 GIG Fiber connection to my home.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!  My current assumption is that SONOS needs better software to link ERA 100 (or other speakers that don’t have sonosnet) to the larger sonosnet system.

 

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Corry P
Corry PAnswer
Sonos Staff
May 18, 2023

Hi @TombaF16 

Welcome to the Sonos Community!

Your diagnostics indicate that there is periodic multicasting reaching your ethernet-wired Play:1 which is blocking the Play:1 from receiving the data it actually wants. If your router has an IGMP Filtering/Snooping option, please enable it. If not, I recommend fitting a IGMP-capable network switch between the router and the Play:1.

The wired Play:1 is also reporting transmission failures to your other Sonos speakers - I recommend ensuring it is at least 1m away from your router and any other WiFi devices.

I hope this helps.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

19 replies

buzz
Grand Maestro
May 13, 2023

SONOS is messing with us old timers. We need to adjust our dialog. In previous era’s WM:0 meant SonosNet and all of the units would switch to WM:0 if one or more units is wired. Then ROAM and MOVE were introduced and are WiFi only. They will always be WM:1. With the ERA units WM:0 indicates a wired unit and WM:1 indicates a WiFi unit. The ERA units will not join SonosNet. In my system there are legacy units on SonosNet and these are WM:0, irrespective of a given unit being wired or wireless because there are a couple wired connections. My ERA units are all WM:1 unless I have my lone USB adapter wired to an ERA. This wired ERA will indicate WM:0 while the other ERA’s indicate WM:1.

106rallye
May 13, 2023

So with a cable connected Era WM:0 means all communication is done via your cabled network, while on older speakers it could also mean wireless (Sonosnet) is involved.

TombaF16Author
Contributor I
May 13, 2023

Thanks 106rallye….

I was really confused on WM:0 and Sonosnet for ERA...now I 100% get it!

With that...back to trying to figure out the solution to my dropouts while the ERA 100 is the pushing it’s bluetooth input to the rest of the system!

Ken_Griffiths
May 13, 2023

Thanks 106rallye….

I was really confused on WM:0 and Sonosnet for ERA...now I 100% get it!

With that...back to trying to figure out the solution to my dropouts while the ERA 100 is the pushing its bluetooth input to the rest of the system!

Maybe try all on your WiFi signal - you likely have the SSID/credentials already stored, if you have had Era running uncabled in the past, or have a Sonos portable product (Move/Roam) - but you can always add the WiFi credentials to all your devices anyway, just to be sure… see the second section of this FAQ support document to switchover all to a wireless setup.

https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/switch-sonos-between-a-wireless-and-wired-setup

Just uncable ‘every’ device when you’re ready to switch to wireless mode …and if you do encounter issues (after rebooting etc.) simply cable a single Sonos device to the main router/hub to bring all back onto SonosNet (er… I mean those devices that do still support SonosNet, that is).

Prodigy III
May 14, 2023

Sounds like you have multiple devices wired to your network if the playbars are connected to AMPs via a cable. So when you disconnect the Play 1? or Sonos One? (there is no product called Sonos1) the system should not disappear.

If after trying @Ken_Griffiths suggestion of unplugging ‘every’ device things are still not working then it might help if you post back here details of your home network - router, is it a mesh, what devices are wired,  are there any power line devices, WiFi extenders etc.

Corry P
Corry PAnswer
Sonos Staff
May 18, 2023

Hi @TombaF16 

Welcome to the Sonos Community!

Your diagnostics indicate that there is periodic multicasting reaching your ethernet-wired Play:1 which is blocking the Play:1 from receiving the data it actually wants. If your router has an IGMP Filtering/Snooping option, please enable it. If not, I recommend fitting a IGMP-capable network switch between the router and the Play:1.

The wired Play:1 is also reporting transmission failures to your other Sonos speakers - I recommend ensuring it is at least 1m away from your router and any other WiFi devices.

I hope this helps.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
TombaF16Author
Contributor I
May 23, 2023

Corry,

Thanks for the suggestions. I looked at my ethernet switch and it does have the IGMP Filtering / Snooping enabled.

I plan to move my Play: 1 to another room this weekend as it is about 1.5M from my media closet, which contains the router, wifi network pucks, and lots of devices….will let you know how it goes.

I am still having fantastic luck connecting up to 5 different rooms; no dropouts at all.  So as long as I don’t try to play all 9 rooms at once, it all works great.

 

Mike

Corry P
Sonos Staff
May 23, 2023

Hi @TombaF16 

Yes - getting your wired Play:1 out of there can only be a good thing!

I see two momentary bursts of multicast packets reaching the wired Play:1, 17 minutes apart. With IGMP Snooping enabled, these shouldn’t be reaching the Play:1, so I don’t know what more to tell you in regards to that. Given your initial description of everything going well for a while, I think these packets are the main issue, though, so perhaps finding the source of them will reveal a solution - you’d need a packet sniffer to find the source.

I also suspect your Play:1’s WiFi interface is being saturated due to having 9 rooms in a group - 2.4GHz can only carry so much. For a group of more than 5 speakers, we recommend having two (or more) ethernet-wired Sonos devices (your wired Connect:Amps and Playbars don’t count as they are wired to each other, nor does your Era as they do not partake in SonosNet) positioned at opposite ends of your Sonos system so that the load of connecting wireless speakers is shared as equally as possible, and one of these wired speakers should be the first-selected room when creating a group (and in charge of the group as a result - the Group Coordinator, or GC). That way, the path the data takes across the network is as efficient as possible.

Having said that, due to you using a turntable connected to an Era, I recommend comparing having a wired speaker as GC and having the Era 100 as GC - you will probably see better results with one rather than the other, but I’m not sure which will be the best. Wiring the Era to ethernet in addition to two non-Era speakers might also be worth trying if you already have the right adaptor, but I would only recommend spending more if nothing else works.

I hope this helps.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
TombaF16Author
Contributor I
May 23, 2023

Thanks Cory!  I really appreciate your expertise.  I can easily wire another Sonos speaker via ethernet at the other end of the house.  I will try moving the Play: 1 and adding another ethernet connected Play: 1 or Play:3.

 

V/r,

 

Mike