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Contributor I
November 16, 2025
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Need help designing a setup for my garage

Hello everyone, new here and new to Sonos so please be gentle if I have some things incorrect. I just built a man-cave garage that is 24’ wide x 30’ long with 11’6” ceilings in it. Like an idiot i didnt run any wires for speakers in it when we were building it and now its fully finished and running wires at this point isnt happening. I do have wired internet run out there to an Eero Pro 7 along with a 8 port gigibit switch so internet isnt an issue. I also have a 75” Sony X90L TV hanging on the wall with an old sony soundbar and an Apple TV 4K. Needless to say the soundbar sounds like crap and Im looking to upgrade it. I am a bit of an audiophile as I did high end car audio for about 15 years in my younger days so I do know the difference in good vs bad audio. Im looking to setup something that I can accomplish these things with:

  1. Work with my tv/apple tv so be able to reproduce the sound. Not really looking for “Surround” sound too much. Dont care about Atmos..Looking more for stereo sound for Football games or for listening to music on Youtube, or streaming music from Apple TV. 
  2. Have very good clarity, and good over all sound with good amount of volume.
  3. Use either HDMI or Airplay2 from my Apple TV, I have a powered sub running off an airport express via airplay currently.

Like I said earlier atmos /5.1 /7.1 isnt super priority to me cause I think in a big open space that large its not going to matter all that much. Stereo for music and tv sound is the most important. I do have a receiver and some old yamaha speakers that ive been used to but the lack of wiring is killing that idea. 

The Ideas ive been kicking around are:

  1. Sonos Amp driving 2 of my yamaha speakers mounted to the sides of my TV, cable from Amp to my powered sub, and 2 Sonos Fives for rear and just set everything to stereo output. 
  2. 4 Era 100’s and my powered sub all via Airplay
  3. OG Arc / Arc Ultra/ Beam Gen 2 with Fives or Era 100’s for rear channels with my powered sub
  4. Just a pair of Fives on above my TV and one on the wall directly across from my tv as a stereo pair via Airplay with my powered sub.

But Im certainly open to any ideas anyone else has as I dont currently own any sonos so this is my first time venturing into the space I know you guys have much more knowledge than me. I have heard all the speakers and I was impressed with the Era 100 and the Fives, but the Era 300 didnt sound great on music to me. Im sure they are great for atmos just not sure they are the right speakers for my application. They sounded very hollow for music IMO but that was at the demo board at Best buy so not sure if thats a fair setup for them. The fives sounded amazing but at $600 ea that gets expensive quickly. Even considered 4 homepods just to keep everything Apple but not sure I like how the highs sound on them. Sorry for the long post just wanted to make sure I was explaining myself lol .

 

Keith

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AjTrek1
AjTrek1Answer
November 16, 2025

I don’t know how familiar you are with Sonos home theater. So, in the interest of providing a thorough recommendation I’ll proceed under the assumption that you’re a novice (no offense intended) 😊

Sonos home theater typically involves a Sonos Soundbar such as an Arc Ultra, Beam 2 or Ray *. Those products are the lynch-pin for peripherals such as surrounds (Era 300’s, Era 100’s or Five’s) and subs (Sub 4 or Sub Mini). **

Those components when Bonded to a soundbar cease to operate as independent speakers. Meaning they can no longer be used separate of the soundbar. All audio information is sent to them via a hidden 5Ghz channel emanating from the soundbar. 

The music setting for surrounds is Ambient or Full Stereo. However, when playing music, the soundbar will play as well. Some like the effect of being in the middle (front to rear).

The other option for home theater without using a Sonos soundbar is a Sonos Amp to drive two speakers flanking the TV; thus creating a “phantom” center channel. IMO, if pure stereo is your preference the setup is better than a Sonos Soundbar for music. I have an Arc Ultra home theater setup; but use two Five’s upfront for stereo music.

There are two options for surround with a Sonos Amp:

  1. Use Era 300’s, Era 100’s or Five’s. They will communicate with the Sonos Amp over the same 5Ghz channel mentioned above.
  2. Use another Sonos Amp to drive two 3rd party speakers that communicate with the main Sonos Amp via 5Ghz channel.
  3. However, as with the soundbar those speakers (in either configuration) cease to be independent and produce audio via the pleasure of the main Sonos Amp.

So, much for the tutorial on Sonos. Let’s talk about your preferred use case:

  • Sonos Amp driving two 3rd party speakers upfront and a wired 3rd party sub.

You mentioned possibly using Era 100’s or Five’s as rears for surround. That’s fine. However, there are considerations

  • You already know that the rears will be governed by the Amp which means the sound for stereo music may be unbalanced versus the Yamaha’s.
  • Surround sound for movies should be OK

My recommendations using the Sonos Amp to drive speakers up front with surrounds in rear are:

  • Use existing Yamaha four speakers
  • Two front
  • Two rear driven by a 2nd Sonos Amp

Another option as the Yamaha’s are 15 years old:

  • Purchase four 3rd party bookshelf speakers (or larger depending upon budget)
  • Purchase 2nd Sonos Amp
  • Use two front driven by 1st Sonos Amp with Wired sub
  • Use two rear driven by the 2nd Sonos Amp.

Here’s another option with positives and negatives

  • Use Yamaha’s or newer 3rd party speakers up front
  • Use Yamaha’s or newer 3rd party speakers in rear as stereo pair driven by 2nd Sonos Amp. 
  • Era 100’s or Fives’s as stereo pair (2nd Amp is not required)

Positive:

  • Rear speakers can be used independently or Grouped with the front speakers for music

Negative:

  • Rear speakers Grouped with front speakers for TV audio creates an echo effect caused by a 75ms delay.
  • Rear speakers cannot be easily used as surrounds as a reconfiguration is required and the reverse to get them back as a stereo pair. Very tedious and time consuming.

Other:

  • All connections to TV will be HDMI that includes Sonos and boxes like AppleTV, Game consoles etc. 
  • Airplay is only to send audio from an Airplay capable device (Phone or Tablet) to a Sonos speaker. No audio frequency can be directly sent to a sub.

Well, that’s all I have. I hope it helps you make an informed cost-effective decision. 

 

* Ray not recommended as it’s too small and only has optical connection

 ** A 3rd party sub wired to a Sonos Amp or a Sonos sub Bonded to Sonos Amp, soundbar, single speaker or stereo pair cannot be used to supplement audio originating from other Sonos  sources.

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16 replies

KeithSSAuthor
Contributor I
November 21, 2025

I decided to pivot to the MAG8R speaker in the ceiling and thats it since it will be used mostly for music along with some general TV watching sound. The “surround sound” aspect of it wasnt important for me so my thought was for my needs a combo of the denon and the MAG8R along with my sub would provide me the best listening experience for that scenario. My intent is to use the Denon to drive those and the sub while taking input from my sources. I had purchased the Sonos amp after i bought the denon thinking it would do the same thing as the denon in a smaller footprint and I would be able to use trueplay to setup the sound, but found out after the fact that the MAG8R are not the same as the Sonance by Sonos speakers as they dont have the trueplay capabilities. So I am going to return the AMP as its more $$ than the Denon was and the only benefit in my scenario is the smaller footprint. If im being honest I think 90% of the time the denon will be set to multi ch stereo just to have things playing in the background and with such a large area to fill (750 sq ft) along with it being a garage with concret floors and hard walls, I thought 4 8” speakers would fill the room better than the fives etc. 

KeithSSAuthor
Contributor I
November 21, 2025

Can you tell us what you did not like about the Sonos speakers?

Really it just wasnt loud enough or clear enough to fill the large room im trying to do. I totally see the benefits to the sonos setup, i just determined in the end I would be better suited to bit the bullet, run the wires to bigger speakers and be done with it as it was more for music and less for surround sound. All for less $$ than the sonos setup would have cost

AjTrek1
November 21, 2025

​@KeithSS 

You may want to re-consider your use of in-ceiling speakers. Not that they can’t be used; but per the link below they have a specific use case which may not coincide with your plans. Take a look at the section on Connections > Speaker Installation. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.

Best Wishes!

https://manuals.denon.com/AVRS970H/EU/EN/index.php

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KeithSSAuthor
Contributor I
November 21, 2025

​@KeithSS 

You might want to re-consider your use of in-ceiling speakers. Not that they can’t be used; but per the link below they have a specific use case which may not coincide with your plans. Take a look at the section on Connections > Speaker Installation. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.

Best Wishes!

https://manuals.denon.com/AVRS970H/EU/EN/index.php

I did see that, but for my use case im planning on hooking them up to the F&R speaker outputs and generally running them in multi channel stereo so I think they will be ok. Not hooking them up as surround sound. So basically almost setup like music in a office building or dept store. I know thats not what most of you would do cause youre looking for “Surround Sound’ with channels moving all over the pace etc, but for my use case just as music I think it should work. I just have to go into the receiver and set it to play “Multi channel stereo” and then it will output L&R on both front and rear outputs

AjTrek1
November 21, 2025

​@KeithSS 

You might want to re-consider your use of in-ceiling speakers. Not that they can’t be used; but per the link below they have a specific use case which may not coincide with your plans. Take a look at the section on Connections > Speaker Installation. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.

Best Wishes!

https://manuals.denon.com/AVRS970H/EU/EN/index.php

I did see that, but for my use case im planning on hooking them up to the F&R speaker outputs and generally running them in multi channel stereo so I think they will be ok. Not hooking them up as surround sound. So basically almost setup like music in an office building or dept store. I know thats not what most of you would do cause youre looking for “Surround Sound’ with channels moving all over the pace etc, but for my use case just as music I think it should work. I just have to go into the receiver and set it to play “Multi channel stereo” and then it will output L&R on both front and rear outputs

Sounds like plan 👍

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KeithSSAuthor
Contributor I
November 21, 2025

I appreciate everyones help working thru this. Great community here