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SarahN
Local Superstar
May 16, 2023

Turntable line in level

Thought I'd play some vinyl this evening on my turntable which is hooked up to a pair of Fives. I was playing with the line in level and found I can actually have it set to the lowest - level 1, and still get decent sound volume through the Fives. 

Is it better to have it set as low as possible or doesn't it really make a difference to the sound quality? 

What do others have theirs set to? 

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11 replies

jgatie
May 16, 2023

As long as the live level is not clipping the input, it really doesn’t matter.  “Whatever sounds good to you” applies.  

SarahN
SarahNAuthor
Local Superstar
May 16, 2023

Excuse my ignorance but would clipping happen at a higher line in level? Sorry not sure what that means lol 

Can you have too many Sonos speakers? 🤔 😆
SarahN
SarahNAuthor
Local Superstar
May 16, 2023

Just changed it to 5 as I've read it's a good idea to set it so that the volume is similar to the volume when streaming. You can see I'm guessing at this can't you 😆

Can you have too many Sonos speakers? 🤔 😆
Airgetlam
May 16, 2023

Clipping would likely happen at higher volume levels, yes, as the circuitry would not be able to handle the ‘volume’ of the data, and start failing. 

Bruce
buzz
Grand Maestro
May 16, 2023

Excuse my ignorance but would clipping happen at a higher line in level? Sorry not sure what that means lol 

A Line-In has a certain sensitivity. A certain amount of amplification is available. We often refer to this as “Gain”. There is a limit to how much signal Line-In can handle. If input voltage is high enough that (input x gain) would result in an output voltage higher than is possible (such as asking a 50W amplifier to deliver 1000W), the output is “clipped” at the max level. This results in extremely high, ugly sounding distortion. If you like visual analogies, since audio signals can be represented as a summation of a bunch of sine waves, the tops and bottoms are straight lined, “clipped” at the max.

The Line-In adjustment sets the Gain.

SarahN
SarahNAuthor
Local Superstar
May 16, 2023

Thanks for that great explanation @buzz 😊. I've settled on number 4 for the line in 

Can you have too many Sonos speakers? 🤔 😆
jgatie
May 16, 2023

Excuse my ignorance but would clipping happen at a higher line in level? Sorry not sure what that means lol 

 

The sampling ratio has a limited dynamic range (lowest volume to highest volume levels in a passage of audio).  Since on-the-go sampling like the Line-In has no way of predicting the incoming dynamic range, it sets it for an average.  If the input suddenly comes in at a very high volume, the highest volume is “clipped” off to fit the passage into the set range.  The same thing happens to analog circuitry when an amplifier reaches its limits and can’t go louder without damage.  

Airgetlam
May 16, 2023

Oh, for a whiteboard;)

Bruce
Stanley_4
Grand Maestro
May 16, 2023

Might be interesting to fool with different settings and see which sounds best.

Something I have done when I had multiple gain controls in an audio string was to look for the lowest background noise / hiss I could get while having the music play at reasonable volume levels. As above you need to avoid to much gain settings and clipping the signal peaks.

Been a long time but I’m recalling having the first two devices set to about the 1/3rd of the maximum gain and using the last as the actual volume control gave me the least noise.

SarahN
SarahNAuthor
Local Superstar
May 16, 2023

I've actually now put it back down to level 1 - the lowest line in setting. Surprised at how loud it is on that setting. I did buy a new stylus which I fitted today but it's on the same cartridge as before so I doubt that's made a difference to the volume. It is the most expensive stylus I've ever bought mind you. 

Can you have too many Sonos speakers? 🤔 😆