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Contributor I
February 4, 2018

SONOS Vs Bluesound.... we have a winner!

In the knowledge that I was moving with my family to a new larger property, I have been preparing/researching/saving for several items of audio and AV equipment. One absolute must was a multi-room wireless system. We still have traditional stereo in our office/guest room, and the main system in our 'Snug' has a great stereo and 5.1 system. But, the heart of the house, the kitchen diner, needs music to be readily available, and this means intuitive above sound quality so that my wife actually plays music.

Cutting to the chase, I borrowed, one at a time, to demo in situ, a Bluesound Pulse Mini, a Play:3, a Bluesound Pulse and finally (playing as I type) a Play:5. I'd done a lot of reading, and spoken to staff at the shops, and was in no doubt that I would prefer the 'audiophile' sound of the Bluesound, and that the ability to play my high-res files (I have a Pono and a Pioneer N-50 network player) would be the clincher. The only possible thing that might gain some points for the SONOS products was functionality.

How wrong I was! I instantly disliked the sound of the Pulse Mini, it deals well with instrumental music, but is unbearable with vocals. The midrange sounds smothered and discoloured. I tried to like it, occasionally finding tracks that it handled well, but within a fairly short space of time I found it... offensive. I took it back and headed home with the smaller Play:3. I loved it, very neutral, but very competent. It didn't put a foot wrong, dealing with my music files on shuffle without missing a beat. I've never spent so long in a kitchen! I took it back with the intention of taking a Play:5 to try, believing it to be an over zealous, overweight teenager, and probably settling for the Play:3, but instead I took the bigger Pulse home. It faired better than the Mini... marginally, the low and high frequencies are more to the fore, and cover up the tonal oddities of the Bluesound midrange, but not enough. Back to the shop and home with a Play:5... hooked, instantly! Grin inducing sound, muscular bass, but with total control, good at low and high volumes, great clarity, good in vertical or horizontal, not positionally fussy at all, but importantly for my tastes, tonally neutral.

I'm confused by my experiences, as mentioned in other posts, retailers may be influenced by margins etc, but I know the guys at this shop, they genuinely believe the bluesound to sound better, but they said things like "everybody who has listened to both preferred the Bluesound" not actually laying their own opinion on the line.

Anyway, once I have decided which rooms will be getting the SONOS treatment I'll be back on to bore you all with my setup choices

Yours, a SONOS convert (apologies for the length of the post!)
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45 replies

Enthusiast I
February 5, 2018
@ratty, I echo BrianJ's comment. I would love to hear from you again. My email is unchanged!
SONOS rules! 8 Zones and counting!
ratty
February 5, 2018
ratty - you once mentioned a room / system for 'serious listening'. Do you still have it and is it Sonos driven?
A PLAY:5 Gen2 pair plus SUB. Trueplay tuned of course, which suppresses a horrendous primary mode around 30-40Hz.
February 5, 2018
I'd strongly recommend that you audition some Bluesound products in an environment that you listen to SONOS in.

If they were available for this in India, I certainly would do so, in view of the adverse comments on this thread to see if they elicit the same reaction. But they are not, and I am not looking to change anything at home, so that won't be happening.
And I am no fan of source direct - because my room would mess it up completely so it would be lost on me by the time I heard it, being a long way from being source direct. I would rather have a speaker with sound customised to sound good in a typical home environment, and room response DSP in addition is even better.
chicks
February 5, 2018
Started watching Breathe on Amazon Prime. Yikes! Set in Mumbai. Kumar may not need subtitles, but I sure do. Recommended.
Contributor I
February 5, 2018
@Rascal6000, you might be interested in this article.

@ratty Great article, thank you
February 6, 2018
I would rather have a speaker with sound customised to sound good in a typical home environment, and room response DSP in addition is even better.
Pursuing this subject, this is why most speakers for home listening have the bass boosted in comparison to treble, and have a frequency response curve that is smooth. So the frequency response chart looks like it typically does for many speakers these days: A hill on the left at the minimum frequency the speaker can deliver, gently and smoothly falling to a level that is maintained all the way to the right, with some climbing again at the right, near the treble end of the plot. Once the room has done with its bass attenuation act, the outcome heard is expected to be flat and smooth across the delivered frequencies with a mild bass boost. No surprise that the play 1 chart also hews to this; there is one on the net if one googles for it.

This thread would suggest that the BS charts would decidedly not look like this. I have not been able to find any though. I wonder if they reveal anything that accounts for the reported findings.

@chicks: thank you for that recommendation. I will take a look; I usually give our serials a pass because they are almost always dripping with melodrama, though things seem to be slowly changing. In many ways, the same relative difference is seen in what usually comes of out of the US and what can be found in Europe. West Wing versus Borgen, as one example. Or the two versions of The Bridge as another. The Brits also shine once in a while - as with Prime Suspect.
airforceteacher
Headliner I
February 6, 2018

House was one of the best shows on television.

Digressing a little, but on the subject of music - I recommend a listen to the Hugh Laurie music albums too. A very creditable interpretation of New Orleans jazz/blues. With a great band and guest artistes in support.


Agreed
Contributor I
February 6, 2018
[quote=Kumar] This thread would suggest that the BS charts would decidedly not look like this. I have not been able to find any though. I wonder if they reveal anything that accounts for the reported findings.

Hi Kumar

Only one other respondent on this thread appears to have done comparative testing on the two brands, and he clearly feels the same as I do about the results. I don't think the curve would reveal everything, the 'problem' is a very boxy midrange that makes vocal sound muffled and restrained. My wife walked in to the kitchen and commented that it sounded like the singer was underwater (Dave Grohl, a track that she knows well enough to be able to comment). I firmly believe that blind testing would only evr leave one winner, irrespective of tastes. I'm guessing that there is a certain amount of blind (deaf?) faith in Bluesound being the undispted audiophile choice, but frankly.... who says?
Airgetlam
February 6, 2018
I tend to stay out of these discussions, since i have little experience in which to share, but there is a psychological phenomena that bears pointing out. Many people believe that something that is more expensive is better.

Often, but not always true.
Bruce
February 6, 2018
I tend to stay out of these discussions, since i have little experience in which to share, but there is a psychological phenomena that bears pointing out. Many people believe that something that is more expensive is better.

Often, but not always true.


That is why I am converting all my Sonos zones to Devialet Gold Phantom wireless speakers. At $3,000 apiece they naturally blow away the Sonos models. I don't even have to audition them to know they are the best.
Local music library with carefully constructed playlists - no shuffling!, Integration with Homeseer Automation, No touch screen devices, No streaming services, No Apple products ever