first setup and wifi with smartphone

  • 19 November 2023
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hello, I would like to purchase a pair of sonos era 100 but for the moment I do not have a fixed internet connection (with a box), but I use my smartphone to share a connection. My question is whether I will be able to turn it on which requires a Wi-Fi connection to share with my smartphone?
thank you in advance for your feedback


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Not really. You’d need a separate internet connection from your phone. Your phone can’t be a WiFi hotspot and control Sonos at the same time.

You could in theory use two phones, one providing a hotspot and another connected to that hotspot along with the Sonos devices, but in no way is that a supported arrangement. Moreover the first, hotspot, phone may refuse to support several WiFi devices at once. 

Thank you for this quick response. does this mean that if I have two phones I could configure the speaker and activate the Bluetooth while waiting to have my box? By using bluetooth I will no longer need to connect the speaker to my phone's wifi? THANKS

 

As far as I know this wouldn’t work, as Era speakers (like all Sonos fixed devices) require a network connection. 

Only the portable speakers (Roam, Move) are designed to operate in the absence of a network.

it would be absurd if that were the case.

It seems normal to me that a user can use a product offering Bluetooth or USB without an Internet connection. Especially for a living room speaker...

thank you anyway for your opinion

other opinions and answers are welcome

;)

it would be absurd if that were the case.

https://support.sonos.com/en-gb/article/sonos-system-requirements

General requirements

  • High speed wired internet connection such as cable, fiber, or DSL
  • WiFi router

just because it’s noted doesn’t mean it’s not absurd. especially since from what I've read the requirement for an internet connection is for booting (which seems acceptable) but not for USB or Bluetooth use. this is not mentioned anywhere and again seems absurd

 

Sorry, but Sonos is a networked audio system. A network connection is definitely necessary for a unit to complete its boot process and accept commands from a controller. If a local Line-In or Bluetooth connection was configured to play it may continue to work for a limited time, perhaps until the IP lease attempted to renew, but there’s no guarantee either way.

What do you mean by “limited time”?

I am able to say with some certainty, that without a WiFi connection that only one (setup) Bluetooth speaker will play the audio (unless using Bluetooth dual TX) - you can’t get both speakers to play, as the stereo audio channel is routed to the other speaker in the pair over a wireless (not Bluetooth) network link. A BT dual TX will just simply stream the same audio to both.

Some mobile Hotspot devices and LTE (mobile sim) routers are not officially supported by Sonos (as already stated), but some may work - in some instances the mobile provider network may block some ports required for Sonos device setup - As an example, I’ve seen that reported recently with the UK 3 ‘Three’ network in a thread on this forum. Anyhow, if ports are blocked and the device will not setup/register, then you will find you cannot enable a Bluetooth connection on the Era 100s. 

In some cases though, these things may work and be setup ready for single Bluetooth use etc. but no guarantees. However you can always try these things and just see what happens.

Personally speaking, I would just get a much cheaper Bluetooth only speaker in the interim and then get the Era 100’s later after installing a wired internet connection to the Home and perhaps keep the BT speaker for use in situ next to the Barbecue in the garden (or some such similar activity).

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What do you mean by “limited time”?

Ratty: “until the IP lease attempted to renew”

In a bit more detail, Sonos speakers obtain IP (network) addresses from a DHCP server, usually on a router, and use this address to communicate across the network. The DHCP server sets a “lifetime” on each address and the speaker is required to check back to the DHCP server before that expires and obtain either permission to continue using the address or a new address.

 

I haven’t tried it but you might be able to use a travel router to provide the network that Sonos needs. The travel router would have to be connected to the Internet for setup, maybe with a second phone, but it could give you limited capabilities without the Internet connection for playing local music.

Hi ,just logged into this thread as I've owned Sonos for quite a while now ,I've recently just gone off grid and thought I'd try and connect my Sonos one to my second phones WiFi hotspot ,this doesn't appear to want to connect albeit Sonos knows in the app that this is the network I'm trying to sync to ,I know 100% it definitely works with a 4g home WiFi as this is what I used to own prior to selling my house 🤷.

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Are you also connecting the Sonos Controller phone to the hotspot?

Might look at disabling the remote data option and any VPNs to see if it works.

If that doesn’t fix it then the travel router might be your solution too.