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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
Jan 22, 2020 3:20 PM UTC

End of Software Support - Clarifications

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End of Software Support - Clarifications

We announced yesterday that some of our oldest Sonos products will be moving into a legacy mode in May of 2020. Our commitment is to support products with regular software updates for a minimum of five years after we stop selling them, and we have a track record of supporting products far longer. 

Here is some public information we’ve shared, gathered into one place to respond to some of your questions in one easy thread, so that people can find the correct information easily.

Beginning in May, software updates and new features from Sonos will only be delivered to systems with only modern products.

After May, systems that include legacy products will continue to work as before - but they will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

Sonos will work to maintain the existing experience and conduct bug fixes, but our efforts will ultimately be limited by the lack of memory and processing power of these legacy products.

We don’t expect any immediate impact to your experience, but access to services and overall functionality will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their own services and features. 

 

Customers with both legacy and modern products have time to decide what option is best for them. You can continue to use your whole system in legacy mode - in this case, it will stop receiving updates and new features. 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

Another option available to all customers with legacy products is to take advantage of the Trade Up program, which allows you to upgrade older Sonos products to modern ones with a 30% discount. Trade Up will be open to customers at any time should they decide to upgrade. 

We recognize this is new for Sonos owners, just as it is for Sonos. We are committed to help you by making options available to you to support the best decision for your home.
 

If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate with asking.

Update 2/22: A message from our CEO

We heard you. We did not get this right from the start. My apologies for that and I wanted to personally assure you of the path forward:

First, rest assured that come May, when we end new software updates for our legacy products, they will continue to work as they do today. We are not bricking them, we are not forcing them into obsolescence, and we are not taking anything away. Many of you have invested heavily in your Sonos systems, and we intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won’t get new software features, we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. If we run into something core to the experience that can’t be addressed, we’ll work to offer an alternative solution and let you know about any changes you’ll see in your experience.

Secondly, we heard you on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist in your home. We are working on a way to split your system so that modern products work together and get the latest features, while legacy products work together and remain in their current state. We’re finalizing details on this plan and will share more in the coming weeks.

While we have a lot of great products and features in the pipeline, we want our customers to upgrade to our latest and greatest products when they’re excited by what the new products offer, not because they feel forced to do so. That’s the intent of the trade up program we launched for our loyal customers.

Thank you for being a Sonos customer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I hope that you’ll forgive our misstep, and let us earn back your trust. Without you, Sonos wouldn’t exist and we’ll work harder than ever to earn your loyalty every single day.

If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

 

Patrick Spence
CEO, Sonos

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Contributor I
Jan 28, 2020 8:15 PM UTC

Try reaching out to customer service, you might be surprised at who calls you back.

I should not have to call customer services should I?

I emailed and got an unbelievable call back the next day. First class company and I take back everything that I ranted about on this thread. Sonos haven't lost it!

What specifically did they say?

They looked into my issues and came up with a great solution for me. Everybody at Sonos from reception to boardroom is on this.

To be honest mate I would expect everyone at Sonos from the guy that mows the lawns to the Janitor that cleans the bogs “is on it” as you put it. One would hope that  a corporate clusterfuck of such immense proportions would focus the attention somewhat!!!!

Yep that's what you'd think and they are actually are doing it. So from me it's fair play to Sonos. Fifty pages back I was just as angry and disappointed. A quick email sent telling them my beef and what I wanted and  a truly great call back today and I'm now I'm fully backing Sonos. You wouldn't get that customer service anywhere else for me.

Looking back at your earlier posts I see you had used the trade up scheme and set a countdown on your legacy products to be bricked. I can only assume that you are happy because Sonos have cancelled your order and you devices are not destined for land fill, not quite yet anyway??

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Lyricist II
Jan 28, 2020 8:26 PM UTC

Spotify os no longer supported on 2011 iPhones. Forcing people to buy new ones. What do you think of that? I dont see iphone spotify subscribers whining like bunch of wuzzes that spotify is the devil. 

Not being able to update "old" stuff with latest 2020 updates should not be such a shock to anyone. 

Be fair people.

 

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Enthusiast II
Jan 28, 2020 8:29 PM UTC

Spotify os no longer supported on 2011 iPhones. Forcing people to buy new ones. What do you think of that? I dont see iphone spotify subscribers whining like bunch of wuzzes that spotify is the devil. 

Not being able to update "old" stuff with latest 2020 updates should not be such a shock to anyone. 

Be fair people.

 

But even if you have a 2011 iphone on your wifi, you 2019 iphone WILL support Spotify right ?

Apple will not limit your device software based on what the oldest device on your apple account is able to run, right ?

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Ryan S
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Retired Sonos Staff
Jan 28, 2020 8:30 PM UTC

Let’s try to keep the language clean everyone. I removed a couple posts above that had an inappropriate word in an image.

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Lyricist II
Jan 28, 2020 8:33 PM UTC

This is no bible study forum. Cmon

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Lyricist III
Jan 28, 2020 8:34 PM UTC

Somebody help me with this.

https://techknowbits.com/2020/01/21/insider-selling-sonos-inc-nasdaqsono-insider-sells-36453-shares-of-stock-updated-updated.html 

How can Nicholas Millington, Chief Product Officer, possibly sell a third of his shares netting $578,144.58 on January 2nd right before this end of life announcement? He must have known everything about the legacy and recycling issues given his job.  Surely the SEC will jump on this.

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Enthusiast II
Jan 28, 2020 8:34 PM UTC

Johannst what you may fail to see is that these weren’t/aren’t advertised/marketed/sold as phones or throwaway consumer electronics.  These are WHOLE HOME AUDIO systems!  And it’s not just some individual phone you can upgrade it’s a HOUSE FULL of audio equipment that cost many of us thousands to over $10k invested over time when we could.  Stop this FALSE equivalency to phones and other tech gear.  It’s just not fair to people who have invested in Sonos and are sick at their investments being devalued and their audio experience disrupted. 

We all hope there will be a satisfactory solution sooner than later. 

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Enthusiast II
Jan 28, 2020 8:35 PM UTC

Let’s try to keep the language clean everyone. I removed a couple posts above that had an inappropriate word in an image.

Agreed.

 

Now you are here, can you shed any light on what is the likely outcome of all of this.

If i split the system into legacy and modern to keep the modern units up to date, will i be able to, for example play my MP3’s from my NAS on both modern and legacy equipment in sync ?

There seems to be a lot of confusion about this, and if the 2 systems will at all be able to talk together or if the 2 will be totally seperated and not able to talk to eachother.

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Lyricist II
Jan 28, 2020 8:35 PM UTC

Spotify os no longer supported on 2011 iPhones. Forcing people to buy new ones. What do you think of that? I dont see iphone spotify subscribers whining like bunch of wuzzes that spotify is the devil. 

Not being able to update "old" stuff with latest 2020 updates should not be such a shock to anyone. 

Be fair people.

 

But even if you have a 2011 iphone on your wifi, you 2019 iphone WILL support Spotify right ?

Apple will not limit your device software based on what the oldest device on your apple account is able to run, right ?

Good point

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Enthusiast I
Jan 28, 2020 8:44 PM UTC

@Ryan S : I gather from your posts today that you don't anticipate substantial new details on the Legacy option until May. Could you please confirm that?

I have a new Play:5 (unopened in box) and Move (within return window), and I'd happily keep it all in my Legacy system long-term if that's a solution Sonos works out. But if we're not going to learn more in the coming days, Id prefer to just return them, wait, and not get wrapped up in this until May. Thanks.

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