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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
Jan 22, 2020 3:20 PM UTC

End of Software Support - Clarifications

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End of Software Support - Clarifications

We announced yesterday that some of our oldest Sonos products will be moving into a legacy mode in May of 2020. Our commitment is to support products with regular software updates for a minimum of five years after we stop selling them, and we have a track record of supporting products far longer. 

Here is some public information we’ve shared, gathered into one place to respond to some of your questions in one easy thread, so that people can find the correct information easily.

Beginning in May, software updates and new features from Sonos will only be delivered to systems with only modern products.

After May, systems that include legacy products will continue to work as before - but they will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

Sonos will work to maintain the existing experience and conduct bug fixes, but our efforts will ultimately be limited by the lack of memory and processing power of these legacy products.

We don’t expect any immediate impact to your experience, but access to services and overall functionality will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their own services and features. 

 

Customers with both legacy and modern products have time to decide what option is best for them. You can continue to use your whole system in legacy mode - in this case, it will stop receiving updates and new features. 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

Another option available to all customers with legacy products is to take advantage of the Trade Up program, which allows you to upgrade older Sonos products to modern ones with a 30% discount. Trade Up will be open to customers at any time should they decide to upgrade. 

We recognize this is new for Sonos owners, just as it is for Sonos. We are committed to help you by making options available to you to support the best decision for your home.
 

If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate with asking.

Update 2/22: A message from our CEO

We heard you. We did not get this right from the start. My apologies for that and I wanted to personally assure you of the path forward:

First, rest assured that come May, when we end new software updates for our legacy products, they will continue to work as they do today. We are not bricking them, we are not forcing them into obsolescence, and we are not taking anything away. Many of you have invested heavily in your Sonos systems, and we intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won’t get new software features, we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. If we run into something core to the experience that can’t be addressed, we’ll work to offer an alternative solution and let you know about any changes you’ll see in your experience.

Secondly, we heard you on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist in your home. We are working on a way to split your system so that modern products work together and get the latest features, while legacy products work together and remain in their current state. We’re finalizing details on this plan and will share more in the coming weeks.

While we have a lot of great products and features in the pipeline, we want our customers to upgrade to our latest and greatest products when they’re excited by what the new products offer, not because they feel forced to do so. That’s the intent of the trade up program we launched for our loyal customers.

Thank you for being a Sonos customer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I hope that you’ll forgive our misstep, and let us earn back your trust. Without you, Sonos wouldn’t exist and we’ll work harder than ever to earn your loyalty every single day.

If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

 

Patrick Spence
CEO, Sonos

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Enthusiast I
Jan 28, 2020 6:22 PM UTC

Sonopad and Sonophone … independent app for older Apple kit on Sonos 

Workes perfectly 

Get it on Apple Store 

 

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Jan 28, 2020 6:27 PM UTC

I work in the software/IT industry. I can write code. With that out of the way!


I see no reason that the firmware in “modern” units which have loads of memory and storage could handle two versions of the protocol: modern and legacy. If a legacy unit is added to any group then all modern units would fall back to legacy protocol (and only support legacy functions and capabilities). With all modern units obviously modern capabilities would work.

Did you mean ‘couldn’t handle’?

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Lyricist III
Jan 28, 2020 6:29 PM UTC

I work in the software/IT industry. I can write code. With that out of the way!


I see no reason that the firmware in “modern” units which have loads of memory and storage could handle two versions of the protocol: modern and legacy. If a legacy unit is added to any group then all modern units would fall back to legacy protocol (and only support legacy functions and capabilities). With all modern units obviously modern capabilities would work.

Did you mean ‘couldn’t handle’?

Doh! Yes! Kind of messes up the meaning entirely, sorry!

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Lyricist II
Jan 28, 2020 6:38 PM UTC

I got your initial email about obsolescence and recycled 6 devices. I have them sitting by my door to ship to you and then your CEO says “We got this all wrong…” AND IT TURNS OUT I DIDN’T NEED TO DO THAT AFTER ALL. I’M REALLY PISSED. 6 DEVICES = $3600

 

But it’s too late for me? Really? I just got an email from support that said “Thank you for getting back to me and I am aware that email and that is not what this is in reference to. The email sent out by Patrick Spence is in reference to an announcement that went out last Tuesday regarding legacy products no longer being able to update, not the reversal for recycling a product.”

I mean seriously? You don’t see how these two things are DIRECTLY RELATED?

 

FIRST YOU SAID:

 

End of software updates

In May the following products in your system will be classified as legacy and no longer receive software updates and new features. This will affect your listening experience.
ZP100 Dining C-Amp
ZP100 Playroom C-Amp
ZP100 
ZP80 Family Sonos
ZP80 Eric Sonos
Bridge
Play:5 (Gen 1) Kitchen Play5
Play:5 (Gen 1) Master Bath P5


Legacy products were introduced between 2005 and 2011 and, given the age of the technology, do not have enough memory or processing power to sustain future innovation.

Please note that because Sonos is a system, all products operate on the same software. If modern products remain connected to legacy products after May, they also will not receive software updates and new features.

You have options

Continue using legacy products

You can continue using legacy products after May, but your system will no longer receive software updates and new features. Over time this is likely to disrupt access to services and overall functionality.

Trade up legacy products
Save 30% on a new product when you upgrade through the Sonos Trade Up program.

 

THEN, A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER AFTER REALIZING WHAT A TERRIBLE IDEA THAT WAS, YOU SAID...

 

We heard you. We did not get this right from the start. My apologies for that and I wanted to personally assure you of the path forward:

First, rest assured that come May, when we end new software updates for our legacy products, they will continue to work as they do today. We are not bricking them, we are not forcing them into obsolescence, and we are not taking anything away. Many of you have invested heavily in your Sonos systems, and we intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won’t get new software features, we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. If we run into something core to the experience that can’t be addressed, we’ll work to offer an alternative solution and let you know about any changes you’ll see in your experience.

Secondly, we heard you on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist in your home. We are working on a way to split your system so that modern products work together and get the latest features, while legacy products work together and remain in their current state. We’re finalizing details on this plan and will share more in the coming weeks.

While we have a lot of great products and features in the pipeline, we want our customers to upgrade to our latest and greatest products when they’re excited by what the new products offer, not because they feel forced to do so. That’s the intent of the trade up program we launched for our loyal customers.

Thank you for being a Sonos customer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I hope that you’ll forgive our misstep, and let us earn back your trust. Without you, Sonos wouldn’t exist and we’ll work harder than ever to earn your loyalty every single day.

 

I WANT MY PRODUCTS WORKING AGAIN OR TO BE COMPENSATED FOR YOU BRICKING THEM AND THEN TELLING ME THEY WON’T BE BRICKED.

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Enthusiast I
Jan 28, 2020 6:39 PM UTC

Ryan

For clarity, if Spotify (or Amazon which I use) change their API on 1st June, will I still be able to stream them?

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Enthusiast II
Jan 28, 2020 6:41 PM UTC

Ryan

For clarity, if Spotify (or Amazon which I use) change their API on 1st June, will I still be able to stream them?

Ryan - I would really like an answer to this question please

This is the single most important question asked on this thread

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Enthusiast II
Jan 28, 2020 6:42 PM UTC

Ryan - please answer with reference to a legacy only system

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Enthusiast II
Jan 28, 2020 6:44 PM UTC

I can definitely confirm that this issue is in fact being taken seriously by Sonos and they are working to come up with solutions. I myself have been very critical on this thread, but now after correspondence sent and a follow up conversation today I fully back Sonos following some truly excellent customer service and attention to my particular issue. I would not have expected such a positive reaction from any company but Sonos delivered today! 

Well done Sonos and thank you for listening. 

A true specialist company that does care about its community!

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Lyricist II
Jan 28, 2020 6:46 PM UTC

They just keep telling me I’m screwed. I already bought 3 new devices as a result of this mess so I guess it worked (for them). Really unhappy. I’ve upgraded things by choice but never have I felt required to do so and put out to pasture or worse have a device literally bricked by a manufacturer.

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Lyricist III
Jan 28, 2020 6:46 PM UTC

I can definitely confirm that this issue is in fact being taken seriously by Sonos and they are working to come up with solutions. I myself have been very critical on this thread, but now after correspondence sent and a follow up conversation today I fully back Sonos following some truly excellent customer service and attention to my particular issue. I would not have expected such a positive reaction from any company but Sonos delivered today!

Well done Sonos and thank you for listening.

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