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May 3, 2021

Ability to Add Sonos Roam to Multiple Sonos WiFi Systems?

Is it possible to add a Sonos Roam to multiple Sonos WiFi systems?

I recently purchased a Roam and took it with me on a road trip. My in-laws have a Sonos system and I wanted to add my Roam to their system so I could get all of the benefits of using Roam over WiFi instead of Bluetooth. 

However, the only way I could get the Roam to connect to their system was to reset it to factory and set up the Roam as a new speaker in their Sonos system. When I came home I had to repeat the process by resetting to factory and adding it back to my Sonos system.

The feature I’d love to see is the ability to add a Roam to a second Sonos system over WiFi without having to remove it from an existing Sonos system. Ideally, after initial setup, the switch between Sonos systems would be done automatically based upon the connected WiFi network.

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May 11, 2022

The problems with this thread start with the title.  If only it made sense.  If only the OP had used either:

  1. Ability to connect Sonos Roam to multiple WiFi networks

OR

  1. Ability to add Sonos Roam to multiple Sonos systems

Instead, these two totally different concepts were conflated. 

The answer to 1 is ‘you can already do this”

The brief answer to 2 is:

“The concept of the Sonos system, with its unique identifier, is fundamental to Sonos’ design.  A system at any one time will comprise a particular set of speakers, playlists, favourites, settings, music services, voice services, music library, whether it is S1 or S2, firmware version number, and much more besides.  Moving a speaker between two different systems (without a reset) would have to somehow work out how to resolve any conflicts between these elements.  And then resolve them again when the speaker is moved back.

The reset allows the speaker that is being moved to adopt all the features of the system to which is now attached”.

The posters on this thread who claim this feature would be easy to implement, or should clearly have been included from outset, are merely demonstrating their lack of understanding of the Sonos system.  Factory resetting the speaker and adding it to the existing system each time takes about a minute and ensures no conflicts or inconsistencies.  So I would say the answer to question 2 is “You can already do this simply and quickly, and in a way that ensures that there are no unpredictable changes to any of your Sonos systems”.

 

@lifely . PLEASE read my earlier post, quoted here

The problems with this thread start with the title.  If only it made sense.  If only the OP had used either:

  1. Ability to connect Sonos Roam to multiple WiFi networks

OR

  1. Ability to add Sonos Roam to multiple Sonos systems

Instead, these two totally different concepts were conflated. 

The answer to 1 is ‘you can already do this”

The brief answer to 2 is:

“The concept of the Sonos system, with its unique identifier, is fundamental to Sonos’ design.  A system at any one time will comprise a particular set of speakers, playlists, favourites, settings, music services, voice services, music library, whether it is S1 or S2, firmware version number, and much more besides.  Moving a speaker between two different systems (without a reset) would have to somehow work out how to resolve any conflicts between these elements.  And then resolve them again when the speaker is moved back.

The reset allows the speaker that is being moved to adopt all the features of the system to which is now attached”.

The posters on this thread who claim this feature would be easy to implement, or should clearly have been included from outset, are merely demonstrating their lack of understanding of the Sonos system.  Factory resetting the speaker and adding it to the existing system each time takes about a minute and ensures no conflicts or inconsistencies.  So I would say the answer to question 2 is “You can already do this simply and quickly, and in a way that ensures that there are no unpredictable changes to any of your Sonos systems”.

 

@lifely . PLEASE read my earlier post and TRY to understand why putting two systems together without a reset of one goes against the fundamental structure of the Sonos system. This is not a missing feature.

So it is lucky that resetting and adding a speaker really takes less than 2 minutes.

 

and TRY to understand why putting two systems together without a reset of one goes against the fundamental structure of the Sonos system. This is not a missing feature.

So it is lucky that resetting and adding a speaker really takes less than 2 minutes.

Lyricist III
May 11, 2022

@John B 

Dude’s I understand, I've read this WHOLE POST. Yes I understand you guys consider this not possible.

Though, what I'm talking about here is IF THERE A WILL, THERE A WAY.

 

What you guys are saying, is that sonos seems not to want to implement user to roam w/ a product name roam :D

 

I’m an engineer, if you want to implement a feature, a solution to a problem, there is always a way, the only question is DO WE WANT TO FIX IT.

 

Here clearly the answer is, we don’t care, even though the concept isn’t stupid, I mean doing local discovery, temporary linking totally not possible.

 

Sonos literally have full control over their whole ecosystem, saying something isn’t physically possible is wrong.

 

My point stand, having a Roam sonos that can’t roam between system isn’t great. Am sadden by it, though will continue to use the products and reset my products every month when I travel.

That doesn’t mean I can’t dream for more better software in life.

jgatie
May 11, 2022

If I had a nickel for every time a someone used the utterly stupid phrase “where there’s a will there's a way” to excuse their lack of knowledge, I’d be a very rich man.  Might as well tack on “think outside the box” and “you just aren’t looking at the big picture” while you are at it.  

May 11, 2022

"I am an engineer" is another one that guarantees garbage will follow. (Not because the poster is an engineer, but because he thinks saying so is worthwhile.)

Yes tbere is a way to implement this trivial improvement - fundamentally restructure the Sonos system at huge expense and risk. Only a moron could think that was a good idea. 

Hopefully others will understand the arguments so my time won't have been wasted. 

Lyricist III
May 11, 2022

Yet you guys are still wasting your time arguing about me and not the feature I'm requesting, if it’s useful or not. 

 

If other people would like to use sonos product that way too, but yeah making assumption of someone else is better 👌🏼

 

Stay fresh people.

May 11, 2022

Sonos Roam and Move can:

1 Play anywhere via Bluetooth 

2. Play as a single wifi speaker on multiple networks with no reset.

3. Play as part of a Sonos system in multiple locations if set up as a single system (household ID), with no reset required.

4. Become part of multiple different Sonos systems, becoming fully integrated into each system for the time its there, allowing grouping for example. This requires a 2 minute factory reset of the portable speaker ONLY. 

And you think the Roam and Move don't live up to their names?

Lyricist III
May 11, 2022

Yes,

 

> 4. Become part of multiple different Sonos systems, becoming fully integrated into each system for the time its there, allowing grouping for example. This requires a 2 minute factory reset of the portable speaker ONLY. 

 

This is not enough, that the feature request I'm requesting as well as the first person who probably open this post and other who commented.

 

Yes the solution works, it’s not to be ignored and is a good ALTERNATIVE.

 

But would it be great if when I'm away from my own system.

Sonos detect a roam device on the network, does a guest / roam negotiation on the device and local system.

And just being able to use these temporary roam on the network as a speaker (Idk about advanced feature while roaming) w/ a click.

 

Just being able for this temporary speaker to appears in the normal system, and being group and receive the stream would be enough, w/ minimum action from user is what i wish existed.

 

Again, some people can dream about better software.

 

 

 

 

May 11, 2022

Well,  don't hold your breath. 

Ken_Griffiths
May 11, 2022

Sonos Roam and Move can:

1 Play anywhere via Bluetooth 

2. Play as a single wifi speaker on multiple networks with no reset.

3. Play as part of a Sonos system in multiple locations if set up as a single system (household ID), with no reset required.

4. Become part of multiple different Sonos systems, becoming fully integrated into each system for the time its there, allowing grouping for example. This requires a 2 minute factory reset of the portable speaker ONLY. 

And you think the Roam and Move don't live up to their names?

Exactly, if I was ever invited to @lifely’s home, (or parents home, for that matter) - I guess I won’t be, but …as long as they’re happy to provide the local WiFi network credentials, I could have my Roam setup on their local network in a jiffy, with no factory reset of any Sonos speaker and have all my music services, playlists and settings intact, ready to use in its Sonos Household - the original Sonos HH in fact that the Roam was added to when I first set it up many many months ago.

I can’t recall ever factory resetting the device and it’s certainly been used on a good many different networks since covid lockdown was lifted. I’m just not in the habit of adding my speakers to other Sonos Households, particularly if the HH’s belong to someone else.

If I wanted to use other peoples systems, like @lifely’s parents Sonos speakers for example, then I would just use the Sonos (remote controller) App to connect to their system - but my Roam would remain in its own HH when running on their local network. I just don’t see the point in factory resetting a Roam device to add it to someone else’s system, particularly if it’s the one and only device in a Sonos Household… that’s just too much bother if you ask me, but would happily consider it, if the original Sonos Household remained available elsewhere, like back at my own Home, for example. 

Lyricist III
May 11, 2022

 

Exactly, if I was ever invited to @lifely’s home, (or parents home, for that matter) - I guess I won’t be, but …as long as they’re happy to provide the local WiFi network credentials, I could have my Roam setup on their local network in a jiffy, with no factory reset of any Sonos speaker and have all my music services, playlists and settings intact, ready to use in its Sonos Household - the original Sonos HH in fact that the Roam was added to when I first set it up many many months ago.

I can’t recall ever factory resetting the device and it’s certainly been used on a good many different networks since covid lockdown was lifted. I’m just not in the habit of adding my speakers to other Sonos Households, particularly if the HH’s belong to someone else.

If I wanted to use other peoples systems, like @lifely’s parents Sonos speakers for example, then I would just use the Sonos (remote controller) App to connect to their system - but my Roam would remain in its own HH when running on their local network. I just don’t see the point in factory resetting a Roam device to add it to someone else’s system, particularly if it’s the one and only device in a Sonos Household… that’s just too much bother if you ask me, but would happily consider it, if the original Sonos Household remained available elsewhere, like back at my own Home, for example. 

@Ken_Griffiths 

I think you misunderstand me, you and you're wife, as well as John are clearly invited over barbecue and beer next time you stop over France.

We can have a heated debated and agree to disagree over good food and conversation.

 

If you bring your sonos, I doubt you’ll be able to use them other then mine w/ the limited internet we have though.