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Update on the New Sonos App and Future Features - October 28, 2024

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Update on the New Sonos App and Future Features - October 28, 2024

The latest on the Sonos App from Nick Millington

 

Please also see the latest statement from Nick Millington regarding the app updates.

 

October 28, 2024

 

This is Nick Millington, Chief Innovation Officer, with an update on the Sonos app.

As our CEO Patrick Spence has said, we know that too many of you have experienced significant problems with the new app we introduced in May. Over the past several months, I, together with hundreds of Sonos engineers, have been focused on a singular objective: to improve the Sonos app and overall software experience such that it not only meets, but exceeds the experience of our previous app.

We built the new app to improve our ability to drive innovation and make future updates and improvements when needed. Since its May launch, we have rolled out ongoing updates, and while we will never stop improving our software experience, today I am pleased to share that our new app now surpasses the old one across several important performance metrics: 

 

Issue

Equal to or better than the old app?

“Add Product”/Setup Success rate

✓

“System not found” and “Products not found” errors

✓

Configuring stereo pairs and home theater

✓

App responsiveness

✓

Crash-free sessions

✓

 

The items above correspond to the top issues we heard from you upon release of the new app, as measured by the volume of customer support contacts driven by each. For new customers, the experience of setting up your Sonos system or a new product for the first time is critical, and I’m pleased to share that our success rate here is now the highest we have ever measured, significantly exceeding the previous app. 

Other quality benchmarks – such as eliminating incidents prompting a “something went wrong” message– were not measurable in our previous app yet are today, thanks to improved monitoring capabilities. This means we can now better ensure we’ve not only reached, but will maintain a high quality experience. (Currently, fewer than one percent of app sessions result in a “something went wrong” message.)

Although we are working with urgency to improve the app, we are also mindful of our commitment to roll out change more gradually, and apply more stringent testing. For this reason, moving forward we’ll alternate between major and minor releases, maintaining our momentum of making improvements while also ensuring adequate beta testing.

For example, today’s update is a major one, including significant improvements to system setup and reliability of adding new products, as well as improvements to volume control and responsiveness, and Local Music Library search, sharing and stability. At the same time, some features are still missing. We know that these have devoted users as well, and we are eager to restore them. In November, we’ll roll out performance improvements to Trueplay, Add Product, and general system reliability, at the same time that we beta test missing features targeted for restoration in December. These include:

  • Improved volume control & responsiveness (Android)
  • Playlist editing
  • Album art for music library (Android) 
  • Support for Android users moving between multiple systems 
  • Improved music playback error handling
  • Snooze Alarms

As always, you can also view detailed updates on each new release, including today’s release as well as previous ones, on our Release Notes page. 

Even with improvements made to date, we know that customers will at times still run into issues. That is why we have expanded our Customer Support capacity, adding dozens of trained agents as well as weekend support. If you are still experiencing issues with our app, know that we have a team standing by to help debug or troubleshoot any challenge you are currently facing.

Having recently marked my 21st anniversary at Sonos, I want to express my deep gratitude to you for being a Sonos customer, whether you’re a first-time or long-standing one, and personally commit to you that the next 20 years hold so much more. The ease, reliability, and magic of our products is the most important thing to me and everyone else at Sonos, and the best is yet to come.

You can expect to hear from me again soon with another update on our progress.

 

Looking for the original update on the Sonos app from CEO Patrick Spence? You can find this archived on the Sonos blog.

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127 replies

Trending Lyricist I
December 1, 2024

Support this post, and let uns wake up Sonos

 

https://en.community.sonos.com/general-feedback-and-conversation-229090/a-plea-for-openness-sonos-let-s-build-a-better-future-together-6923515

robin19
Contributor I
December 1, 2024

Seems amazing that, five months after release, it still isn’t possible to add music to a playlist. Surely a relatively basic bit of functionality for a modern music system.

Lyricist I
December 1, 2024

I have been a loyal Sonos user for many years, and have my significant investments in the system - I have nine Sonos speakers used across 7 zones in my home.

Ever since the last major update to the Sonos app the performance has been abysmal. I experience a consistent lag of nearly 10 seconds with every command - so if the system is too loud and I go to lower the volume, it does not react for some 10 seconds; same for playing, pausing or any other functions.  It has been incredibly frustrating - to the point that I’d strongly consider trashing the whole system if I hadn’t invested so much already. . 

While I would have recommended Sonos to others up until this update, I would steer folks away from the product based on this terrible experience.  

Ken_Griffiths
December 1, 2024

I have been a loyal Sonos user for many years, and have my significant investments in the system - I have nine Sonos speakers used across 7 zones in my home.

Ever since the last major update to the Sonos app the performance has been abysmal. I experience a consistent lag of nearly 10 seconds with every command - so if the system is too loud and I go to lower the volume, it does not react for some 10 seconds; same for playing, pausing or any other functions.  It has been incredibly frustrating - to the point that I’d strongly consider trashing the whole system if I hadn’t invested so much already. . 

While I would have recommended Sonos to others up until this update, I would steer folks away from the product based on this terrible experience.  

Some suggestions that may help…

Checkout this document on WiFi interference…

https://support.sonos.com/en-gb/article/reduce-wireless-interference

Don’t use wired SonosNet connection (except as a last resort) - use your Router/Mesh WiFi signal instead, it’s usually much quicker.

Set the routers 2.4Ghz WiFi Band to use a non-overlapping ‘fixed’ channel (1, 6, or 11) with a channel-width of 20Mhz only.

The routers 5Ghz band is usually fine so leave that as it is, but for stability fix its channels (rather than have them auto-select on startup).  Try to steer compatible Sonos players onto the 5Ghz band and ensure they have an SNR level of 45dB, or above, where practicable, see this link…

Info. about Sonos SNR levels:

https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/understanding-the-network-details-section-in-the-sonos-app

If such connections are not achievable, then consider trying the more penetrating/longer reaching 2.4Ghz band instead or wiring a ‘standalone’ product instead, but always disable its WiFi adapter when not using SonosNet, but do not disable the WiFi adapter on a standalone Home Theatre device if you plan to later use it with surrounds/Sub . In fact I don’t  recommend wiring a HT product at all, as it will create a SonosNet ‘root bridge’ in some instances, unless you are using the Arc Ultra or SonosNet, as a last resort. 

It’s true to say that some routers/mesh setups may work better with Sonos in SonosNet mode - Google WiFi is an example where SonosNet sometimes works better than wireless mode.

If using SonosNet wire a device to the router, or to a "switch" linked directly off the router only. Keep any wired/or wireless devices one metre away (minimum) from any router, WiFi AP or other wireless device, where practicable. 

Never wire anything ‘Sonos’ to a WiFi mesh satellite Hub

Do not use wireless range extenders, or power-line (EoP) adapters.

Set all Sonos IP addresses static, high up in the LAN subnet out the way, in the routers DHCP reservation table - all routers are different, so maybe read the user manual if you do not know already how to make a device network address static.

Now onto the controller device…

Disable  MAC spoofing (Private Address) it can cause issues with some routers. It’s often unnecessary to use that feature on a Home WiFi network.

Disable WiFi calling

Disable Mobile Data Access use for the Sonos App

Enable the following 5 things for the Sonos App to run smoothly…

  • LAN Access
  • Bluetooth
  • Location (precise)
  • Microphone
  • Notifications

Ensure the mobile controller is not using…

  • VPN Client
  • Firewall
  • Anti-virus 
  • Other security software

Ensure LAN firewalls, or products like Pi-Hole, are not blocking Sonos cloud access

Whilst in the router settings, disable QoS and/or any Airtime Fairness features and see if that may improve responsiveness.

Enthusiast II
December 2, 2024

Seems amazing that, five months after release, it still isn’t possible to add music to a playlist. Surely a relatively basic bit of functionality for a modern music system.

 

I’ve been absent from the ‘community’ for quite some time, patiently awaiting the day when I could log back in and find all is sweetness and light. I have been assuming that by now … nearly end end of 2024 … that full functionality would be restored, including the ability to create and edit playlists in the Sonos app. Also that when toggling from the full screen display of the track playing to the full list of the queue, the app would snap to the current track, not to the beginning of a queue of hundreds of tracks.

 

Unless I’ve missed something, both functions are still missing in action. Is that correct?

Collaborator II
December 3, 2024

 

 

Unless I’ve missed something, both functions are still missing in action. Is that correct?

You are unfortunately correct. 

CanisLupusNL
Lyricist III
December 4, 2024

I've been a Sonos user for 14 years now. Avid music / cd collector.

Music Library is pretty important for me (understatement).

Essential, and pretty simple feature tha has been removed and not added again : proper Music Library Folder support; Playing and adding (sub) folders to the queue.

It can be done on the Windows app, for crying out loud :P

Simple request, re-add 2 simple features:

  1. Play Folder (+subfolders if applicable)
  2. Queue Folder (+subfolders if applicable)

That would make my life complete :)

 

Positive note: on the roadmap it shows that Music Library Album Art is coming back to Android App!

https://www.last.fm/user/lupusv/
Lyricist I
December 4, 2024

This Sonos-Alexa issue is pure insanity!!!!  Sonos has a problem.  I’m left with a very expensive system that can tell me what time it is. 

Ken_Griffiths
December 4, 2024

I've been a Sonos user for 14 years now. Avid music / cd collector.

Music Library is pretty important for me (understatement).

Essential, and pretty simple feature tha has been removed and not added again : proper Music Library Folder support; Playing and adding (sub) folders to the queue.

It can be done on the Windows app, for crying out loud :P

Simple request, re-add 2 simple features:

  1. Play Folder (+subfolders if applicable)
  2. Queue Folder (+subfolders if applicable)

That would make my life complete :)

Access to a local library can, of course, be made via the (now) ‘old’ Windows App (which is in maintenance only mode by the way and soon to be deprecated) because it’s using sharing protocols that have widely publicised vulnerabilities - see below screenshot from Sonos and perhaps search online for SMB v1 &/or HTTP share vulnerability issues.
 

The new Sonos App uses a newer version of SMB - version 2 (and higher) and local libraries using that later sharing method do all work perfectly fine with the ‘secure’ sharing method, see the screen-capture at the end of my post showing my working local library in the Sonos App (iPhone XR).
 

Ideally, users need to change the way they share a local library, not least to perhaps avoid falling foul of the publicised vulnerability issues. The library will then work with the new Sonos App.

 

 

CanisLupusNL
Lyricist III
December 4, 2024

​@Ken_Griffiths My Music Library works fine, only Sonos has removed functionality from the "Folders” section, where you cannot play a Folder+Subfolders anymore, or add Folders (+subfolder) to the queue… (opposed to searching on Artist or Album, where this is working...)

 

Funny that the GIF contains a search query on "Canis” (see my username)

https://www.last.fm/user/lupusv/