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Retired Sonos Staff
January 21, 2020

End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

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End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

Please note that we’ve created a new thread with some clarifications to questions that have come up several times in this thread. Please see here to continue the discussion if you still have any questions. The information contained in this thread is outdated and may no longer be accurate.

 

We have some important news regarding our oldest Sonos devices shared on the Sonos Blog today. The text of that blog post is being included here for your convenience:

 

Starting in May 2020, some of our oldest products will no longer receive software updates or new features. We want to explain why and your options. 

When we first set out almost 20 years ago to invent the technology to easily listen to any song in any room, most of the ways we listen to music today did not exist. In fact, the first Sonos products were introduced before the first iPhone was announced and when Myspace still ruled social media. 

 

In order to invent multi-room music and smart speakers, we combined the worlds of high-fidelity audio and computing. Every Sonos product has a microprocessor, flash memory, and other hardware components typically found in computers and smartphones.  

 

Since launching our first products, technology has advanced at an exponential rate; from streaming services and voice assistants to wireless networking and Bluetooth capabilities.  Through all of this transformation, we have continued delivering new features via software updates. We’re extremely proud of the fact that we build products that last a long time, and that listeners continue to enjoy them. In fact, 92% of the products we’ve ever shipped are still in use today. That is unheard of in the world of consumer electronics. However, we’ve now come to a point where some of the oldest products have been stretched to their technical limits in terms of memory and processing power.  

This coming May, these legacy products—our original Zone Players, Connect, and Connect:Amp (launched in 2006; includes versions sold until 2015), first-generation Play:5 (launched 2009), CR200 (launched 2009), and Bridge (launched 2007)—will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

 Today the Sonos experience relies on an interconnected ecosystem, giving you access to more than 100 streaming services, voice assistants, and control options like Apple AirPlay 2. Without new software updates, access to services and overall functionality of your sound system will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their technology. 

To help you through this transition, we’re providing two options:

Option 1: Continue using these legacy products, recognizing that your system will no longer receive software updates and new features.  

Option 2: Trade up to a new Sonos product with a 30% credit for each legacy product you replace.

If you’re not sure if your products are affected, you can check in the System tab in your sonos.com-account

If you choose to participate in the trade up program, your legacy products will be put in Recycle Mode, a state that deletes personally identifiable information and prepares these products for e-recycling. Recycle Mode also protects unsuspecting people from buying legacy products that are approaching the end of their useful life and won’t provide the Sonos experience customers expect today. Recycle Mode will only apply to the legacy products listed above.

 

We ask that you take your legacy products to a nearby certified e-recycling facility. This is the most environmentally friendly way to recycle. That said, if there isn’t a facility in your area, we are happy to pay for you to ship your products back to Sonos for responsible recycling.    

 

Ideally all our products would last forever, but for now we’re limited by the existing technology. Our responsibility here is threefold: build products that last a long time; continually look for ways to make our products more environmentally friendly through materials, packaging, and our supply chain and take responsibility for helping you through the transition once products near the end of their useful life.  

 

We’ve always believed in freedom of choice, whether that means choosing a certain streaming service or way to control your listening experience. We hope the choices provided here—continuing to use these products without new software updates or trading up to our modern products—enable you to make the choice that’s right for you. 

 

We are honored to have a place in your home and want to make sure that we help continue to bring the best experience we can, even when products reach the end of their useful life. 

 

More information.

 

Please let us know if you have any questions.

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    1377 replies

    Renowned Enthusiast I
    January 22, 2020

    Without sifting through the thousands of very angry responses and probably thousands more to come, can anyone tell me if and how to continue using my legacy products with my non-legacy products?

    Andy, no one can say for sure 100% as Sonos has said more information about this will be coming in May.

     

    But with the information they've put out so far, it sounds like new Sonos devices will not be updated as long as you have "legacy" Sonos devices connected. In effect they will hold updates to your new devices hostage until you remove your old devices.

    With the caveat that May will bring more clarity to the response below:

    The holding hostage referred to in the last bit quoted is actually a good thing. Because as soon as the update is applied, the legacy products can no longer be used by you, as things stand today.

    Doesn't Sonos say legacy products won't be bricked in any scenario?. So assume owners could break them off into a separate household if new devices are upgraded. Or  am I wrong?

     

    It's really f@cked up how much of this is uncertain.

     

    Lyricist II
    January 22, 2020

    Patrick Spence is the CEO of Sonos. He joined Sonos in 2012.

     

    He is now a legacy product and should be unsupported.

     

    Click the like button below if you think he should be removed as CEO

     

    Drop him an email too 

    patrick.spence@sonos.com
     

    He’s invited questions, just in case he doesn’t have a logon to this community or see the Press reaction.

     

    Good point. And I sent him an email last night. I don't expect a reply, because clearly he does not care about his customers.

    Headliner I
    January 22, 2020

    Without sifting through the thousands of very angry responses and probably thousands more to come, can anyone tell me if and how to continue using my legacy products with my non-legacy products?

    Andy, no one can say for sure 100% as Sonos has said more information about this will be coming in May.

     

    But with the information they've put out so far, it sounds like new Sonos devices will not be updated as long as you have "legacy" Sonos devices connected. In effect they will hold updates to your new devices hostage until you remove your old devices.

    With the caveat that May will bring more clarity to the response below:

    The holding hostage referred to in the last bit quoted is actually a good thing. Because as soon as the update is applied, the legacy products can no longer be used by you, as things stand today.

    Doesn't Sonos say legacy products won't be bricked in any scenario?. So assume owners could break them off into a separate household if new devices are upgraded. Or  am I wrong?

     

    It's really f@cked up how much of this is uncertain.

     

    And that’s the point … some clear road-map answers would possible put half of us to sleep anger wise:

    How to live with the old gear

    How not to let it affect the new gear

    How to use a music player without the new fancy functions   etc

     

    It don’t fix everything but if Sonos came back TODAY with some clear map of expectations then it would halve the problem … that’s what I’m hearing.

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    Sonos, give me one reason, just one, as to why I shouldn’t get rid on my entire Sonos system and replace it with “dumb” amps/speakers that are capable of more than the feeble 16bit you offer and a proper home theatre system that can actually play more than a couple of ancient formats and arm them with echo dots which would give me whole home audio, speakers that don’t die after 5 years and only having to possibly replace £25 dots every few years. Go on, I’m waiting...

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    Good afternoon, I have been sat on my hands to try and subdue my anger at your latest announcement that todays perfectly working equipment will no longer be reliable in the future.  But wait, for a modest fee of 70% I can replace the existing equipment with the same functionality (except for the Bridge).  I was dismayed by the announcement of the trade-up option of equipment promoted a little while ago and the fact you were promoting the scrapping of perfectly working equipment.  Both of these announcements smack of Sonos trying to increase their sales figures; well I can tell you that I can’t afford the £1900 need to keep my system working as it is today.

    As a long term user of your system and an active promoter as to the benefits, you can rest assured that this latest development will be first subject I shall discuss, if anybody is to enquire my feelings of Sonos; it’s also worth noting that I will no longer be able to update my software, I’ll no longer be able to actively take part in you Beta Testing programme (which I have done for many years).

    So even though I’ve assisted you develop your equipment; I have promoted your equipment; my system has been downgraded and no longer covers my home … so THANK YOU VERY MUCH

     

     

    Existing
    Sonos Component

    Replacement
    Sonos Component

    Cost

    Discount

    Replacement
    Cost

    Play 5 (Gen 1)

    Play 5

    £499.00

    30.00%

    £349.30

    Connect (ZP90)

    Port

    £399.00

    30.00%

    £279.30

    Connect (Amp)

    Amp

    £599.00

    30.00%

    £419.30

    Connect (Amp)

    Amp

    £599.00

    30.00%

    £419.30

    Connect (Amp)

    Amp

    £599.00

    30.00%

    £419.30

    Bridge

    No replacement available

     

     

     

    Bridge

    No replacement available

     

     

     

    Bridge

    No replacement available

     

     

     

    Total Replacement Cost

    £1,886.50

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    We had a taste of how Sonos treats its customers when support for the CR100 remote controller was ditched. Despite promising that this “legacy” product would continue to work, it wasn’t long before a system update rendered it useless. And a replacement product was never introduced. All five of my Sonos components are now to stop receiving updates. I will continue to use them, but what’s the betting that Sonos will ensure they stop working within a short time. Twice bitten, I will then shop elsewhere as I have no confidence in the way Sonos treats its long standing users. 

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    I only bought speakers 7 years ago. You are about to turn them into landfill.

    Why would I want to buy another (at any price?!! 30%!!!?)  ‘high quality’ item that lasts for 7 years only ?!!

    100% replacement required please

    Your new customers should know this. :point_left::point_left:

    You should display this warning in shops otherwise SONOS = FRAUD 

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    Long time Sonos user, eight zones, many legacy.

    Very disappointed.

    Sonos needs to revisit this decision and find a way to enable older devices to keep working in the network with updated newer devices.  Clearly the older devices won’t have the latest features, but they should be able to interoperate with similar functionality to today.

    Sonos is an expensive product.  As an example, we just bought two Sonos Ones for children’s bedrooms.  The alternative was two echo dots.  Clearly inferior product, but would have been ¼ of the price and would have kept the kids just as happy.  The draw of staying with the Sonos ecosystem was the interoperability with all the existing zones, including the now legacy products.

    Was planning to scale up number of zones.  Seriously reconsidering now.

    Sonos - please try to come up with another solution here.

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    just received an email informing me that my play 5 1, will soon be a (legacy )

    device and will no longer be able to upgrade software?, this is bad enough, 

    however it’s unbelievable that if l continue to use it, it will then stop all my 

    other Sonos, devices also updating, 🙀🙀this is disgusting considering how 

    much l have spent on sonos items over the last ten years,

    needless to say l will not be purchasing any more Sonos devices, ever,

    no problem with a device becoming unable to update, but to then effectively 

    make all newer devices dormant 🙀🙀 this is a very very bad decision by

    sonos, l predict this will be the start of , THE END 🙀for the Sonos.

    john whitham 

    Contributor I
    January 22, 2020

    The products I’m being told are legacy products are a Sonos 5 and Sonos Connect I bought in 2017. Why would Sonos sell me a 6 year old legacy product in 2017? From this post legacy products were sold between 2000 and 2011? Bow 2.5 years later my products are no longer supported nor will any of the other “non-legacy” products I bought in the same year that share a network with those products receive software updates? This makes no sense to me.

    -Mark