EQ required. Harsh mids, ear fatigue.

IMO, the Five and Move are Sonos’ best sounding speakers for music.

Have you performed Trueplay tuning or adjusted the EQ settings in the Sonos app?

Yes, I tried multiple settings using the existing EQ options.

While they may be Sonos' best, they aren't providing the same clarity/comfort that I'm getting from cheaper speakers.... (warfdales aren't exactly cheap, but they are running off a cheap amp).

I imagine that someone at Sonos is under the misguided impression that they don't need an eq, and I can think of a few reason why, such as it's not "consumer friendly", or " but we have magic DSP tuning" but they overlooked something important  which is that it doesn't sound as good as they think it does.

Maybe because Sonos is selling to a generation that is use to laptop speakers the upgrade seems incredible  but compared to regular speakers, they aren't holding up.

If you don’t like the way the Five sounds, you probably won’t like the sound of any Sonos speaker. It might be best to return/sell your Sonos speakers and go with a different option.

It's entirely possible that this is what I'll end up doing, but before sonos loses a customer, I wanted to give them the opportunity to understand my situation and I know I'm not the first person to request an eq.

One of my first lessons in sales was, for every 1 person that complains, 10 people walked away without saying anything.

I'm sure sonos would like to know the reasons customers may walk away and then weigh up if not having an eq is worth the loss... maybe an eq won't solve my issue, but I can't say until there is one.

‘Best’ sound is in the ear of the listener. Only you know what sounds ‘best’ (to you}.

FIVE’s will sound quite different from Warfdales. I can imagine Warfdale fans not enjoying SONOS and SONOS fans not enjoying Warfdales.

I don’t think that an equalizer could fix your “harsh” issue.

If your goal is to re-create concert hall sound, you need to find a speaker designer who sits near you because the designer designs for what he/she perceives and the concert sound varies throughout the hall.  I once had a seat in a world class hall with world class orchestra and the seat was abysmal due to an unfortunate “slap” from a nearby wall. I can’t imagine speakers designed to sound like that location would be popular with many listeners.

This observation also brings up the point of room issues. I’ve seen situations where bookshelf speakers were exciting nearby “trinkets”. The result was not great, but through no fault of the speakers. “Trinkets” were chattering along with the music. The SONOS SUB can be a real trouble maker because it actually emits bass energy. Heavy bass hits can excite objects trapped inside the walls. Relatively few subwoofers emit this amount of bass energy. In one room I had to walk around inserting small cardboard shims to subdue the window rattles. A previous, much larger, subwoofer, did not have this issue.

For listening environments, I have tried the speakers in a variety of different positions and configurations around the house, different rooms, including several desktops and on speaker stands, and I've use both mono and stereo configurations, but the mid issue is a constant. Regardless if I have my nose pressed up against the speaker (not literally) whether I'm sitting, or standing, the mid issue is a constant. While I'm not an engineer, I know a small amount about sound, like frequency responses, speaker configuration, cabinet resonance, I'm no stranger to the concepts behind how sound works, which is why I said, I understand that there are multiple reasons why the sound is the way it is, things like trying to squash multiple speakers into a compact enclosure has consequences, as does using harmonics to pad the sound.

It's not just warfdales that I have compared them too, I have also compared them to a cheapish set of Logitech pc speakers with mini sub, and again the clarity of the mids is what stands out.

Also I hadn't used the warfdales in a few years, so this isn't a situation where my ears were use to the warfdales over the sonos.

Another things is that both the Five and the Move seem to have the same issue with the mids, see I got the Move first and I thought to myself, oh well it's a portable speaker some compromise is expected, it didn't have the same clarity as my B&O portable but the Move has a lot mote depth, so it was a fair trade off, but I didn't expect it with the Fives, they are a premium indoor speaker.

Now I'm aware that an EQ isn't a silver bullet, but I have no way of knowing until there is an EQ for me to test out.

Meanwhile, I've ordered a sonos amp to power the warfdales. I'm curious to see what result I get... if the amp doesn't have good results then it'll be time to give up and find another solution for my integrated home.

By the way I have the Sonos ARC and Sub and I love those!

One thing that does concern me is that sometimes purists let their wants get in the way of the product needs, I work in IT so I see this alot, so I'd hate to think that the reason an EQ isn't provided is because someone's dug thier heels in, Instead of it genuinely not being required.

If you have access to an iPhone or iPad, does Trueplay provide any relief?

If TruePlay proves anything it's that access to an EQ for mids is definitely going to help. 

The problem with TruePlay is that it's too aggressive, striping out frequencies that I want to keep, again exasperating the artificial sound.

Like having vocals gain clarity but then lose depth by having the vocal low range cut to aggressively.

And just turning up the base or switching on loudness (which is actually just a pre set compressor) doesn't solve this issue.

If I had to guess I'd say the TruePlay isn't much more than an eq that uses an algorithm to set its frequencies.

Trueplay does make the mids significantly less muddy, but there is still harshness in the untouched or possibly boosted frequencies.

There’s no reason why you can’t use the TruePlay position as a base line, and modify, to the extent that Sonos allows, from that point. TruePlay doesn’t lock out the ability to make any changes. 

As an experiment, play some tricks on Trueplay. Wrap your phone/pad with a layer or two of thin cloth. You’ll need to experiment with the type of cloth, the number of layers, and how this interacts with the SONOS tone controls.

Overall, I don’t think you and SONOS will agree on what sounds “best”. The SONOS team sits in mid hall and you sit in front hall. The Warfdale team sits in front hall. Even if SONOS did provide an equalizer, I doubt that it would be aggressive enough for your needs. Your approach to what sounds “best” and SONOS’s approach are somewhat different and you’ve both dug in your heels.

A major difficulty in this sort of discussion is that we (and “we” is society in general) don’t share a common vocabulary for expressing aural experiences. In your IT world, what is the “best” computer language?