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Mike H
Retired Sonos Staff
May 21, 2024

Player / Controller Versions - Why Update?

Player / Controller Versions - Why Update?

We have seen a few posts with people talking about firmware versions and being at different places within the last few updates. While this isn’t new to the recent Sonos app update, there are more and more conversations about it and I thought I’d try to help give some context to what we’re seeing.

One thing that may not be widely known is that by turning off Auto-Updates in the app store, it only addresses the updating of your controller app and not necessarily the firmware of the players. This means that while you may be blocking your controller from updating, the speakers may still update their firmware if someone else updates the system from their controller. Different people end up in different parts of the updating pipeline and while all the problems look different, they can usually be traced to this mismatch. You can check your speaker firmware by going to: Settings (Gear in top-right) > Manage > About My System

 

Here are a few compatibility scenarios that you may find yourself in: 

 

Old Player Firmware (78.1-52020)  + Old Sonos S2 App

  • In-app notification that an update is available.

  • Alarm Settings are available.

  • Any attempt to add a player to the system will require an app update, which will be followed by a player update before you can add a player.

 

Old Player Firmware (78.1-52020) + New Sonos App (Pre-Alarms Fix)

  • No indication about an app update being available.

  • Alarm Settings remain disabled.

  • Any attempt to add a player to the system will require an app update, which will be followed by a player update before you can add a player.

 

Old Player Firmware (78.1-52020) + New Sonos App (Alarms Fix)

  • No indication in the app about a system update being available unless you seek it out in Settings > Manage > System Updates > Check for Updates

  • Alarm Settings remain disabled.

  • Any attempt to add a player to the system will require a player update 

 

New Player Firmware (79.0-52294) + Old Sonos S2 App

  • In-app notification that an update is available.

  • Cross-version compatibility mode will block out access to all of Settings and Setup.

  • Will be encouraged within the app to go to the app store to update their app.

 

New Player Firmware (79.0-52294) + New Sonos App (Pre-Alarms Fix)

  • No indication in the app about an update being available.

  • Alarm Settings remain disabled.

  • Any attempt to add a player to the system will require an app update, which will be followed by a player update before you can add a player.

 

New Player Firmware (79.0-52294) + New Sonos App (Alarms Fix) 

  • Everything is up to date.

    • Improved playback settings including “Play next,” “add to end of queue,” and on iOS, the mute button

    • Improved product setup, Bluetooth discovery and WiFi settings

    • Added sleep timer settings

    • Improved Trueplay setup on iOS

    • Introduced distance settings for home theater surrounds

    • Improved navigation for users who are blind or visually-impaired 

    • Added VoiceOver support for toast messages on iOS

 

Hope this provides a little bit of context into what you might be experiencing and why you might be seeing it. Yes, the official guidance is to keep your devices updated - but more importantly we wanted to explicitly show what it looks like depending on the current state of your system. Hope you find this useful!

Note: This does not mean that updating alone will solve every system problem. We are very much aware of some issues around product set-up - however the very first thing before getting support would be to ensure your app and devices are completely updated.

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62 replies

May 21, 2024

@Mike R. H. Good thread! As an S1 user that will stay such, I see that S1 is not referenced at all here, and I assume that this is because S1 will be left essentially undisturbed for the foreseeable future in a Sonos backwater?

Enthusiast I
May 21, 2024

I'm at the old versions with my speakers and app. Phew…

 

I will keep it like that as long as it's possible.

May 21, 2024

I will keep it like that as long as it's possible.

If by old versions you mean S1, you are safe because it is very hard to inadvertently move to S2; this move cannot be done from within the S1 app, and first needs the S2 app to be downloaded to the phone.

If you are on S2, staying there may be more of a challenge!

Enthusiast I
May 21, 2024

I will keep it like that as long as it's possible.

If by old versions you mean S1, you are safe because it is very hard to inadvertently move to S2; this move cannot be done from within the S1 app, and first needs the S2 app to be downloaded to the phone.

If you are on S2, staying there may be more of a challenge!

On the s2 app. I rolled back the auto update on my phone. And I blocked Sonos at my DNS resolver. Streaming still works, but everything else should be blocked. 

 

If that does not work anymore I still have ny HTPC to control Sonos.

Collaborator II
May 21, 2024

@Mike R. H. 
Why would anyone want to do any updates from a working version of the software to downgrade to the latest feature lacking bug-ridden mess of an app, assuming they still have access to version 16?  

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
skullc
Prodigy III
May 21, 2024

I am on 16.1 controller version and 16.1.1 on the speakers both have auto update disabled and they will stay that way as I have no intention of buying any more devices from Sonos 

Network= livewire cpe pro 3 +eero 6 pro wireless
Bumper
May 21, 2024

I am on 16.1 controller version and 16.1.1 on the speakers both have auto update disabled and they will stay that way as I have no intention of buying any more devices from Sonos 

This is the type of situation they want to avoid 🤣 Updating for you is now a huge downgrade. 

skullc
Prodigy III
May 21, 2024

I am on 16.1 controller version and 16.1.1 on the speakers both have auto update disabled and they will stay that way as I have no intention of buying any more devices from Sonos 

This is the type of situation they want to avoid 🤣 Updating for you is now a huge downgrade. 

An upgrade for me will be a system that is based around Wiim streaming and echo devices 😊

i have lots of headphones that work well without buying anymore 👍

Network= livewire cpe pro 3 +eero 6 pro wireless
May 21, 2024

@Mike R. H. Thank you for this clarification.

Given the debacle surrounding the new app, and if you are able to depart from the party line that everything is fine and not broken, is there a technical reason why we can't stay on 16.1 for both app and firmware and add new hardware without having to update either?

If I ever had to reset a speaker (heaven for fend, it hasn't happened yet!) the last thing I want to happen is that I am forced to “upgrade” to a less useful (to put it politely) app because the firmware is no longer compatible with 16.1.

Enthusiast II
May 21, 2024

@Mike R. H. Thanks a lot for this extremely useful port!
Could you please clarify a couple of questions regarding this:
1. Is the “New Player Firmware (79.0-52294)” same as release 80.00.04?
Or are these two different versions?

80.00.04

Release date: 5/13/2024

In this update:

  • Added lossless audio support for Apple Music.
  • Bug fixes and performance enhancements.

2. Does Apple Music Lossless support work only with the 80.00.04 firmware? (or the “New Player Firmware (79.0-52294)” ?)
Or does the “Old Player Firmware (78.1-52020)” play AM Lossless now as well?