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melvimbe
June 4, 2018

Apple AirPlay 2: Does it change things for multi-room audio?

From what I've read on airplay 2, it is believe that apple will have the ability to send audio from your iPhone/ipad to multiple speakers and have them play in sync. Now, this could be just a feature of the homepod, as clearly Apple wants multiple Homepods to play in sync. However, does this also mean that other airplay 2 compatable speakers will be able to play in sync? For example, your Homepod, Bose speaker, and Sonos can all play in sync. I've read some things suggesting that's the case.

This does somewhat make sense. Airplay 2 apparently requires compatible speakers to have a lot of memory available for buffering. If you want lots of unlike speakers to play in sync, having a big buffer would likely make that more easily accomplished, as I understand it. I don't have the right equipment to test this out personally, not even sure if there are enough airplay 2 compatible speakers that have been released to test it out.

Going on the assumption that this is true, how does that change things in the world of multi-room audio? If Apple 2 can create mutiroom audio using speakers from multiple brands, and do a decent job of it, does that impact how people shop for multi room audio? I don't know that it drives people to buy Homepods, but perhaps they opt to get a Bose instead of Sonos, for example, to add on to their existing system?

As well, does this motivate Amazon and Google to come up with their own multi-room, multi-brand audio protocol? This definitely is something that customers want. Customers have been asked why they can't group echos and sonos speakers together since Sonos went live with Alexa voice control. Does that eventually cause a shift in the way customers think about mutliroom audio. In the same way they think about using Amazon, Google, or Apple for voice control, will the think of the options for multiroom being Amazon, Google, or Apple as well?

Don't get me wrong, I don't see Airplay 2, or the theoretically other multi-room audio protocols, being superior to Sonos alone. However, name recognition and marketing matters, and the others have that advantage. I can see where people would go with Apple for example, even knowing that it's not as good, just because they like the name.

I'd also say that Sonos has a strong advantage still regarding options for music sources, options for voice control (coming soon), and HT audio. Sonos seems to be focusing mostly on voice control and HT. The 'works with Sonos' program that Onkyo is in, as well as the new product announcement in a couple days as a sign that Sonos is definitely looking at Home Theatre features as a way to differentiate themselves from the competition.
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Smilja
June 5, 2018
My thoughts are you will be able to Group Rooms in the Sonos App (or maybe via voice command ??) .. so it could be a Sonos One, together with a Play:3, for example, and in your iOS device AirPlay dialog list it will show as a speaker (same has HomePod does) and when you press 'play' the audio will come out of both grouped speakers ... that’s my guess. [...]
I don't see Apple and Sonos playing in sync, but ...


It’s all guesswork of course, but I am hoping I can Group my Apple TV with my Sonos One, I think that will be good if I can watch YouTube or Netflix on my iPad or Apple TV and the audio goes to my Sonos speakers in sync with the video ... we shall see.
... then again, that has been already announced/advertised, if I remember correctly. How well this feature will work out remains to be seen.
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Ken_Griffiths
June 5, 2018
Sonosjunkie,

I was just wondering why one was playing above and one was playing below the main dialog box... but I think I see and understand it now, it’s in alphabetical order by the main room name...

Kitchen
Living Room
Office

Do you really think Sonos will release AirPlay soon? It’s only just been ratified by Apple ... my thoughts were this would be weeks/months away yet!
nicka99
Local Superstar
June 5, 2018
I actually wonder if the audio will be in sync with any video ?

It is mentioned that Airplay2 can have a large buffer so this could lead to large lip sync issues if using AirPlay2 speakers alongside video.

Will the device playing the video delay the image to keep in sync with the audio being sent to the speakers ?
Ken_Griffiths
June 5, 2018
I actually wonder if the audio will be in sync with any video ?

It is mentioned that Airplay2 can have a large buffer so this could lead to large lip sync issues if using AirPlay2 speakers alongside video.

Will the device playing the video delay the image to keep in sync with the audio being sent to the speakers ?

Yes indeed, it once seemed quite a challenge for developers to make 2 channel audio system sync, over wireless, across the same branded speakers... now the audio is expected to sync across different 'brands and models' and with the video output on Apple devices. It sounds like it has been achieved, but I’m also told that AirPlay-2 will actually support 5.1 surround sound too. That sounds/looks to me to really be pushing the boundaries, albeit we know that Sonos have already done a pretty good job with their own wireless Home Theatre system ...

It would be nice if Sonos can take the next step forward and get their new HT system to extend out to 7.1 surround sound over wireless. I would definitely be straight down the store to buy one of those... er... once I had installed more plug sockets in my living room, that is ?. I wonder what tomorrow's (June 6th) announcement will bring?
Smilja
June 5, 2018
I don’t envisage for one minute, the grouping of different brands of speakers via the Sonos App... the Sonos grouping/pairing/bonding is unique, quick and simple. [...]
I didn't mean grouping via Airplay2 through the Sonos Controller, Airplay2 won't be available within the Controller anyway.
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Ken_Griffiths
June 5, 2018
I don’t envisage for one minute, the grouping of different brands of speakers via the Sonos App... the Sonos grouping/pairing/bonding is unique, quick and simple. [...]
I didn't mean grouping via Airplay2 through the Sonos Controller, Airplay2 won't be available within the Controller anyway.

Smilja it wasn’t you that mentioned or hinted at that issue being in the Sonos App anyway, it was melvimbe who briefly touched upon that subject in his reply above. Just to quickly clear up that matter.
Smilja
June 5, 2018
Smilja it wasn’t you that mentioned or hinted at that issue being in the Sonos App anyway, it was melvimbe who briefly touched upon that subject in his reply above. Just to quickly clear up that matter.
Yes, my fault. Keeping up is onerous on hot and sticky days. 😃
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Chris
Lead Maestro
June 5, 2018
I think an Apple Airplay2 compatible speaker will be able to play in sync with a Sonos Airplay2 compatible speaker. The big flaw to me though is the phone is still the coordinator in this case. With the phone connectivity and availability required. Where a Sonos grouping has one of the speakers as the coordinator and once playing initiated the phone (controller) is no longer needed. To me the Sonos method still spells reliability.
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Sonosjunkie
Prodigy III
June 5, 2018
Sonosjunkie,

....

Do you really think Sonos will release AirPlay soon? It’s only just been ratified by Apple ... my thoughts were this would be weeks/months away yet!


Sonos have announced commitment to it months ago, and more recently confirmed what hardware will be compatible as AP2 players, so they are certainly investigating it in depth already and I expect have been actively working with beta releases of iOS etc for quite a while. Further Apple has a list of early adopter vendors and a specific list of compatible 3rd party speakers. I don’t think Apple would go out on a limb and list specific models unless there was some certainty about imminent compatibility.

It would not surprise me at all if Sonos announce a software update to be available this week, if not by the end of the month, with their new speaker to be available for pre-order this week, shipping in a month or two.

I can’t see that they would have much more to do than perform final tests on the final Airplay release, fix a few bugs and then ship their update. Which would be days or weeks and not months after Apple’s release.

I could be wrong, but that’s how it ‘should’ work. We should know more in the next 24h. I doubt they’d have booked an event on the 6/6 unless they were aligning it with Apple’s release announcement and were relatively certain of their release schedule, otherwise they’d look amateurish 🆒
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Sonosjunkie
Prodigy III
June 5, 2018
I think an Apple Airplay2 compatible speaker will be able to play in sync with a Sonos Airplay2 compatible speaker. The big flaw to me though is the phone is still the coordinator in this case. With the phone connectivity and availability required. Where a Sonos grouping has one of the speakers as the coordinator and once playing initiated the phone (controller) is no longer needed. To me the Sonos method still spells reliability.

I assume this to be the case also, unless there’s a homepod in the mix which if the ‘initiator’ of the Airplay group might be able to act as a stream co-ordinator? Not surenif theybhave designed it like that, but sounds plausible. Also an AppleTV would worj sans Phone I hope. It does today via optical so can’t aee a difference via AP in terms of being Independent. Also won’t sonos be able to stream back to a non-Sonos AP2 speaker or is the feature one way only?

Personally, I don’t have much of an use case for AP2 other than using it to be able to ‘group’ a portable speaker in the bathroom with the Sonos in the bedroom. I’m hopingnit will help fill that hap in sonos’ range.
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