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Prominent Collaborator I
September 12, 2017

Amazon Echo 2

There are rumours of an Amazon Echo 2 being released soon, It'll be a very interesting time with all of these new 'Smart Speakers' being launched.

The Apple Homepod, the new Sonos speaker with built-in voice mics and the Echo 2 will all be competing to become the speaker of choice for those customers looking for a great sounding smart speaker.

Pricing will be critical, as although there are millions of people who are prepared to pay a premium for Apple products, mainly to keep everything within the Apple ecosystem, I'd imagine Amazon will have to undercut them significantly and Sonos will probably be somewhere in the middle if they release a new Play 1 style speaker with built-in mics.

The only issue that Sonos have is that they don't have their own voice control system, but will rely on Alexa, and Alexa already has a huge userbase, helped by Amazon using their affordable Echo dots as a trojan horse and 'converting' them to Alexa users before either Apple or Sonos have their own voice controlled speakers.

Although we all know that Sonos speakers sound fantastic, and it remains to be seen ( or heard! ) how good the Homepod or Echo 2 will sound, the sound quality advantage that Sonos currently has will be eroded, possibly to the point that for the vast majority of people will be more than satisfied.

Tough times ahead for Sonos, especially if Amazon announce the Echo 2 before the Sonos voice control.
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Prodigy II
September 25, 2017
Heh. One reason I've not hooked up my August locks to voice control.

It would be really nice (and I suspect very hard) if Amazon were to create a way for voice control to be locked down to a specific voice(s). Not foolproof, I could tape someone, but it sure would stop the damn system from responding to the TV all the time. :)


The need for a four digit code to unlock with Alexa should make it as secure as the August keypad. To be honest, I disable this if I’m going to be absent for some time. I can always use the August app to let someone in. I also remove the keypad accessory, which easily snaps off its base. I don’t want to tempt fate. The ability to make Sonos “bark” remotely might be nice.
Chris
Lead Maestro
September 25, 2017
I do have my garage door open close setup with Alexa. Instead of giving Alexa control directly of the switch I have Smartthings virtual switch setup. You can name the switch whatever you want to make it activate. So instead of Open Garage Door ... I make the switch name like 12457 Garage Open. So you would have to know the code number to activate the switch.
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Prodigy II
September 25, 2017
Excellent idea. I’ll keep that in mind.
melvimbe
September 25, 2017
Regarding the question of whether the sonos integration will work with echos only, or all alexa enabled devices, I think it's hard to say. Amazon's own mulitroom functionality only works on echo devices, not fire devices. I can only speculate on whether that's due to hardware restrictions or a functional design choice. Regardless, if the sonos integration is leveraging this functionality, then it's quite possible that it only works on echos. It may be that a local echo needs to communicate directly with a sonos device, and therefore fire devices don't have this communication ability (I'm guessing).

Then again, it's also quite possible that it works by an Alexa device talking to Amazon servers, which talk to Sonos servers, which then talk to your local sonos system. I think I'd prefer this setup, but I can see some potential issues with it as well.

Really, I think I'll be happy with whatever it is...as long as it works.
Danny
jgatie
September 26, 2017
As stated previously, Sonos has stated in no uncertain terms the Alexa/Sonos implementation will work with any Alexa enabled device.
Prominent Collaborator I
September 26, 2017
I see that Amazon have now added voice control to their mobile music app:

http://www.musicweek.com/digital/read/alexa-goes-mobile-for-amazon-music-app/069908

"Amazon has today (September 26) added the Alexa voice control system to the Amazon Music app on iOS and Android in the UK, US, Germany and Austria.

The app allows listeners to either browse the interface as usual, or ask Alexa to play the music the want using the push-to-talk function. Music Week has witnessed a demo of the new service, which responds to a range of voice commands including requests for an artist’s new song without specifying the track’s name.

Customers can ask for music based on genre, decade, mood, tempo, activity or even the lyrics if they are unable to remember the name of a song.

While Alexa has becoming an increasingly popular method of accessing Amazon’s streaming service in the home, the mobile option means voice activation and music can be combined on the move, whether in the car, running or commuting.

“We felt that the future of music streaming growth would be driven by the home and then probably after that the car – both environments where voice control is really important,” Paul Firth, Amazon UK’s head of Amazon Music, told Music Week.

The extension of Alexa to the Amazon Music app also enables users to make voice activation requests beyond music, such as asking about the day’s weather.

“Amazon Music customers already know and love Alexa from listening on Echo devices,” said Steve Boom, VP of Amazon Music. “Now our mobile listeners can enjoy an entirely new app experience that combines the power and simplicity of Alexa voice controls with the visual richness of the Amazon Music app.”

The catalogue for Amazon’s premium subscription service totals more than 40 million songs.

Alexa is now available by updating the Amazon Music app for iOS or Android. Alexa is also available for Amazon Music customers on Amazon Echo, Echo Dot, Amazon Fire TV, Fire TV Stick, Fire TV Edition and Fire Tablets."
Prominent Collaborator I
September 26, 2017
Amazon has today (September 26) added the Alexa voice control system to the Amazon Music app on iOS and Android in the UK, US, Germany and Austria.
melvimbe
September 26, 2017
As stated previously, Sonos has stated in no uncertain terms the Alexa/Sonos implementation will work with any Alexa enabled device.

Understood, but that doesn't change the fact that I'll forget little details like that, admittedly. And I like to think about it out loud anyway. And it's quite possible that was the original plan, but Amazon has a different plan in mind.
Danny
chicks
September 26, 2017
Amazon has today (September 26) added the Alexa voice control system to the Amazon Music app on iOS and Android in the UK, US, Germany and Austria.

Installed on the iPad, pushed the button, said "Alexa, play some jazz". Was briefly surprised when music started playing on the big QUADs across the room. Then I realized it was the Dot into my Connect:Amp that heard the wake word. Doh! No need to say "Alexa" in the Amazon Music app, it's button activated. What a maroon! 😳
melvimbe
September 26, 2017
Alexa in the music app is kind of a big deal. It appears that it's full Alexa, not just Alexa for music playback on your phone. In other words, you can ask Alexa random questions, execute your skills, and maybe most importantly, all your smart home stuff. Yes, you could control your smarthome before, but not through voice control.

I see some big uses for this.
1 - In the car. If you connect the phone through Bluetooth, Alexa (and music) will now speak through the car. And maybe this was already a thing with Siri or Google, but it's new to me. I can see myself using it quite frequently. Especially as a way for the kids to request their music choices.

2- In the back yard. Post sonos/alexa integration, I wasn't exactly sure how I was going to do voice control play in the backyard. I figured I'd have to get an alexa remote, but now I can just use the phone.

For Amazon, it's kind of a cheap easy way to introduce Alexa to people. The one drawback I've seen is that it will only play Amazon music sources. I tried to tell it to play Pandora and it told me it wasn't supported.
Danny