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Contributor I
July 25, 2022

S2 Update 14.12 Sub Issues

Hello,

With the recent 14.12 S2 Update there is a bug in the sub settings when using Trueplay, and I've pinpointed the problem.  I wanted to pass along this information to the company to ensure that the specifics of the issue are known.

It’s likely that most people may not notice this, or bother asking Sonos about it, but this is a real difference between 14.12 and the previous versions.

  • My current setup has an Arc, Sub(Gen1), and 2 Play1's.  
    • Using a white noise generator to review these differences.  
    • I'm controlling the sub settings on my iPad Pro while recording on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.  
    • I've run Trueplay twice since the update, and get the same results both times.  
      • Both Trueplay runs were with my iPhone as my iPad Pro does not have support yet.
  • Once updated to 14.12, you are prompted to re-run Trueplay.  But Trueplay has a bug in this new update.
  • I tested the frequencies with Trueplay On and then Off without changing the volume on the App.  
    • The only setting modified is the "Sub Audio" setting that ranges from -15 to +15
  • These differences are absolutely unique to the 14.12 update
    • I did not take pics, but have done similar tests before and the sub settings always increase/decrease all of the frequencies below the crossover
    • In previous versions, 40hz was always the highest db of any frequency when bossting the sub volume.

Trueplay On with Bass and Treble set to 0:  

  • Sub = 0: 
    • There is about a 4-5db reduction in the 30-60hz range and a boost in the 60-80hz range compared to Trueplay off
    •  

  • Sub = +15: 
    • Here is where you see the issue.  Sub 50hz doesn't change much at all even boosting the sub setting to the max  
    • There is a huge boost in the 60-80hz range where it is now the dominate frequency range of the sub
    •  

Trueplay Off with Bass, and Treble set to 0:  

  • Sub = 0
    • You can already see a difference in that the <50hz frequencies are higher and it's a pretty flat wave.

    •  
  • Sub = +15
    • Notice that now the dominate frequency range is the 35-50hz.  
    • The 60-80hz is still boosted, but it does not ever overtake the lower frequencies
    •  

  • Lastly, here is a grouped view showing these pictures side by side so you can really see the difference.
    • It also includes going -15 on the sub
    •  

  • Could it be a High Pass Filter setting that is getting triggered when you run TruePlay?
  • If you do not like the way your system sounds after 14.12, turn off Trueplay.
    • It will not be as good as what you are used to as Trueplay will adjust more to your room and leave less peaks/valleys throughout the spectrum.
    • But it will still be more like what you are used to hearing.

I can provide more information if needed, but hopefully this helps pinpoint the issue for everyone.  

 

Thank you for your time,

Robert

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84 replies

Ken_Griffiths
July 28, 2022

Did the update cause your system issues?

Yes, a little … and I will just wait patiently to see what the next update brings - I have had issues with a good many Apps and devices over the years through software/firmware updates.. Things invariably get sorted in the end and this issue is not proving to be a huge issue, (for me, at least) as the Arc here sounds okay with Trueplay off and my own EQ/Sub-volume settings.

I’ve mostly just had to adjust the LG C9 TV volume level up from 30-35 to around 45 and it’s fine - My Wife actually thinks that the TV speech clarity has improved, so every cloud etc…

Enthusiast II
July 29, 2022

Yes trueplay off is definitely better 

Zeek78
Enthusiast II
July 29, 2022

I was just thinking of pulling the trigger for 2 fives, but this update stopped me… Maybe it’s time to look at other brands ☹️🤷🏻‍♂️

Virtuoso
July 29, 2022

To many avoidable issues for me, 

Can't think of any other device that I own that has suffered from frequent poorly implemented updates?.

 

Lyricist III
July 29, 2022

Did the update cause your system issues?

Yes, a little … and I will just wait patiently to see what the next update brings - I have had issues with a good many Apps and devices over the years through software/firmware updates.. Things invariably get sorted in the end and this issue is not proving to be a huge issue, (for me, at least) as the Arc here sounds okay with Trueplay off and my own EQ/Sub-volume settings.

I’ve mostly just had to adjust the LG C9 TV volume level up from 30-35 to around 45 and it’s fine - My Wife actually thinks that the TV speech clarity has improved, so every cloud etc…

You are not wrong that many times, things fail in the electronic era. Most of the times it’s just that an app doesn’t work as expected (but works) or crashes. But when something breaks enough, that you stop using it then you either return it as broken or throw it away. I can’t return this since its been more than 100 days and i am not planning on throwing away that much money.

SarahN
Local Superstar
July 29, 2022

I was just thinking of pulling the trigger for 2 fives, but this update stopped me… Maybe it’s time to look at other brands ☹️🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I don’t have the Arc and this update has not affected my system in any way. I know this does not mean that a future one couldn’t have any impact at all, but I love my system and in particular my 2 Fives, so don’t let this put you off completely.  Since that update before this one, my system has sounded better than ever but like I say, I don’t have the Arc (I have a Beam G2 set up along with many other speakers)

Can you have too many Sonos speakers? 🤔 😆
skullc
Prodigy III
July 29, 2022

I was just thinking of pulling the trigger for 2 fives, but this update stopped me… Maybe it’s time to look at other brands ☹️🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I don’t have the Arc and this update has not affected my system in any way. I know this does not mean that a future one couldn’t have any impact at all, but I love my system and in particular my 2 Fives, so don’t let this put you off completely.  Since that update before this one, my system has sounded better than ever but like I say, I don’t have the Arc (I have a Beam G2 set up along with many other speakers)

Unfortunately I  have the issues with my 2 5's and sub, lack of bass and the sound signature has changed it has even reduced bass on my  2 moves 

Network= livewire cpe pro 3 +eero 6 pro wireless
SarahN
Local Superstar
July 29, 2022

Odd that I have not experienced that (unless my ears just cannot tell)

 

Sorry to hear of your issues.

Can you have too many Sonos speakers? 🤔 😆
skullc
Prodigy III
July 29, 2022

Odd that I have not experienced that (unless my ears just cannot tell)

 

Sorry to hear of your issues.

Do you have a sub connected to the 5's?

Network= livewire cpe pro 3 +eero 6 pro wireless
SarahN
Local Superstar
July 29, 2022

No I don’t. My Sub is connected to my Beam HT set up and is totally fine……………..

 

My Fives are just fine to my ears

Can you have too many Sonos speakers? 🤔 😆