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scottyboi08
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April 11, 2021
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How do I stop my new Sonos One SL dropping off my controller?

My new Sonos One SL drops off my controller, or stops functioning on the controller like as if it loses signal. It keeps playing with my Beam and Play 1 in the other room, but at times I can’t change the volume until it finds the system again on the app. Or like just now, I go to listen to music on the One SL and it’s not on the app, unlike my Beam or Play 1. They’re only in a room next to one another, and the room that the SL is in, does not have signal issues for any other devices like an Echo Dot, mobile phones, or laptops etc.

All the devices are wireless. This is happening daily.

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Corry P
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Sonos Staff
April 14, 2021

Thanks @scottyboi08 - I was getting close to asking for some pictures.

I was more concerned with devices being too close to each other and interfering, than with devices being too far from the router - the signal strength from the router to the Beam is good.

Regarding the transmission retry rate, I’d like you to try turning off the Sky box and PS5 at the power for 10 minutes, play music to the Beam for those ten minutes and then submit a diagnostic - when you next reply here, I’ll compare it to the last.

I would also like to try taking the router out of Harry Potter’s bedroom, to see if that helps - try that after the Sky and PS5 steps (if practical) and send another diagnostic. It could be that load-bearing walls, or a higher amount of solid wood construction around the stairs, is surrounding the router and blocking the signals somewhat.

As for the missing Sonos One, new information has come to light. We have recently been getting reports of this same issue from other BT Smart Hub 2 owners - there seems to be a recently developed problem with them not bridging communications over the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands. This explains your Sonos One being missing while connected to 5GHz. We recommend you get in touch with BT technical support and let them know that “you’ve discovered an issue whereby client devices connected to 2.4GHz (“gigahertz”) and 5GHz are unable to communicate locally, and vice versa, as if the router was erroneously activating Wireless Isolation which is not an option in the router settings”. Ask them if there is a new firmware version available for your BT Smart Hub 2 and if there isn’t one available, ask them if they can see if your router updated in the last 3 months (or however long you think this has been happening) and if so, can you roll-back to the previous version? At the very least, find out if they have acknowledged the issue and are planning an update to fix it soon.

Anyone reading this should get in touch with our technical support team before contacting BT so we can confirm the issue and we’d very much like to document it and gather data to better understand the issue.

There are two workarounds - either disable 5GHz on your BT Smart Hub 2, or wire one Sonos component to ethernet and use SonosNet. Edit: You may have to do both (SonosNet will not help Moves or Roams).

Edit: the Smart Hub 2 firmware version causing this issue is V0.26.03.01286. Not all Smart Hub 2 owners will have been issued with this version yet.

If you mention “Sonos” and issues with your speakers to BT support they’re just going to refer you back to us so please try not to, as in this instance we cannot help - other than to suggest purchasing a 3rd-party router (if you spend at least £60, you’ll get a much better router than any you will get for free from any ISP) to replace the BT one.

Please let us know how you get on.

 

 

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
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Corry P
Corry P
Sonos Staff
April 14, 2021

Hi @scottyboi08 

Thanks for trying.

Please don’t reset Sonos products without being advised to by Sonos technical support - it only helps in very specific circumstances and comes with an inherent risk. Often, you just end up with a worse situation, like not being able to add the speaker back on due to environment issues.

Speaking of environmental issues, what is within 1m of your Beam, other than the TV? On average, whenever your Beam transmits to your router it has to repeat itself 80% of the time. This is not good, and I can see it’s not due to a weak signal.

In addition, what is near the Living Room Play:1?

Edit: And in addition to that, what’s within 1m of your router?

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
scottyboi08Author
Trending Lyricist I
April 14, 2021

Hi @scottyboi08 

Thanks for trying.

Please don’t reset Sonos products without being advised to by Sonos technical support - it only helps in very specific circumstances and comes with an inherent risk. Often, you just end up with a worse situation, like not being able to add the speaker back on due to environment issues.

Speaking of environmental issues, what is within 1m of your Beam, other than the TV? On average, whenever your Beam transmits to your router it has to repeat itself 80% of the time. This is not good, and I can see it’s not due to a weak signal.

In addition, what is near the Living Room Play:1?

Edit: And in addition to that, what’s within 1m of your router?


The only things within 1m of my beam that’s a form of technology? It’s connected to my TV via hdmi. Then I’ve got my Sky box, and PS5 below the beam.

Then over the other side of the room is the play 1. That’s it?

As for the router, other than what I’ve just mentioned, it’s our bt landline phone. Then obviously when we’re sitting down we may have mobile phones and/or iPads with us.

scottyboi08Author
Trending Lyricist I
April 14, 2021

I don’t know if these photos help. The clock photo and door of the router, is from the same standing spot, as is the tv photo, and the cabinet one (pretty much). Then I’ve shown you the router behind the door.

 

they’re not far apart at all.

Corry P
Corry PAnswer
Sonos Staff
April 14, 2021

Thanks @scottyboi08 - I was getting close to asking for some pictures.

I was more concerned with devices being too close to each other and interfering, than with devices being too far from the router - the signal strength from the router to the Beam is good.

Regarding the transmission retry rate, I’d like you to try turning off the Sky box and PS5 at the power for 10 minutes, play music to the Beam for those ten minutes and then submit a diagnostic - when you next reply here, I’ll compare it to the last.

I would also like to try taking the router out of Harry Potter’s bedroom, to see if that helps - try that after the Sky and PS5 steps (if practical) and send another diagnostic. It could be that load-bearing walls, or a higher amount of solid wood construction around the stairs, is surrounding the router and blocking the signals somewhat.

As for the missing Sonos One, new information has come to light. We have recently been getting reports of this same issue from other BT Smart Hub 2 owners - there seems to be a recently developed problem with them not bridging communications over the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands. This explains your Sonos One being missing while connected to 5GHz. We recommend you get in touch with BT technical support and let them know that “you’ve discovered an issue whereby client devices connected to 2.4GHz (“gigahertz”) and 5GHz are unable to communicate locally, and vice versa, as if the router was erroneously activating Wireless Isolation which is not an option in the router settings”. Ask them if there is a new firmware version available for your BT Smart Hub 2 and if there isn’t one available, ask them if they can see if your router updated in the last 3 months (or however long you think this has been happening) and if so, can you roll-back to the previous version? At the very least, find out if they have acknowledged the issue and are planning an update to fix it soon.

Anyone reading this should get in touch with our technical support team before contacting BT so we can confirm the issue and we’d very much like to document it and gather data to better understand the issue.

There are two workarounds - either disable 5GHz on your BT Smart Hub 2, or wire one Sonos component to ethernet and use SonosNet. Edit: You may have to do both (SonosNet will not help Moves or Roams).

Edit: the Smart Hub 2 firmware version causing this issue is V0.26.03.01286. Not all Smart Hub 2 owners will have been issued with this version yet.

If you mention “Sonos” and issues with your speakers to BT support they’re just going to refer you back to us so please try not to, as in this instance we cannot help - other than to suggest purchasing a 3rd-party router (if you spend at least £60, you’ll get a much better router than any you will get for free from any ISP) to replace the BT one.

Please let us know how you get on.

 

 

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
scottyboi08Author
Trending Lyricist I
April 14, 2021

Thanks @scottyboi08 - I was getting close to asking for some pictures.

I was more concerned with devices being too close to each other and interfering, than with devices being too far from the router - the signal strength from the router to the Beam is good.

Regarding the transmission retry rate, I’d like you to try turning off the Sky box and PS5 at the power for 10 minutes, play music to the Beam for those ten minutes and then submit a diagnostic - when you next reply here, I’ll compare it to the last.

I would also like to try taking the router out of Harry Potter’s bedroom, to see if that helps - try that after the Sky and PS5 steps (if practical) and send another diagnostic. It could be that load-bearing walls, or a higher amount of solid wood construction around the stairs, is surrounding the router and blocking the signals somewhat.

As for the missing Sonos One, new information has come to light. We have recently been getting reports of this same issue from other BT Smart Hub 2 owners - there seems to be a recently developed problem with them not bridging communications over the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands. This explains your Sonos One being missing while connected to 5GHz. We recommend you get in touch with BT technical support and let them know that “you’ve discovered an issue whereby client devices connected to 2.4GHz (“gigahertz”) and 5GHz are unable to communicate locally, and vice versa, as if the router was erroneously activating Wireless Isolation which is not an option in the router settings”. Ask them if there is a new firmware version available for your BT Smart Hub 2 and if there isn’t one available, ask them if they can see if your router updated in the last 3 months (or however long you think this has been happening) and if so, can you roll-back to the previous version? At the very least, find out if they have acknowledged the issue and are planning an update to fix it soon.

Edit: We’d also like to gather data on this issue, so we’d very much like it if you could get in touch with our technical support team so they can confirm and document your issue.

If you mention “Sonos” and issues with your speakers to BT support they’re just going to refer you back to us so please try not to, as in this instance we cannot help - other than to suggest purchasing a 3rd-party router (if you spend at least £60, you’ll get a much better router than any you will get for free from any ISP) to replace the BT one.

Please let us know how you get on.

 

 

See I would do that with the router, but it’s the only place I can plug in a router (crazy I know). So not really sure what to do with that. 
As for the beam and play 1, I don’t know what’s happened but for the last 2 days, they’re no longer on my controller, and can’t be added back, as they drop off the moment they do get added back on. So now the situation has almost reversed, and all I have is the new Sonos SL on the app, and none of my other two older systems, which never had an issue before the SL arrived. So I can’t play music from the beam anymore to run this test with the sky box.

Corry P
Corry P
Sonos Staff
April 14, 2021

@scottyboi08

I think you should get in touch with our technical support team as they can lead you through various real-time troubleshooting steps. As this new issue - highlighted in blue above - is currently undocumented on our knowledge bases, please make sure to mention the diagnosis when you get in touch. You will likely be referred to BT, however, because if the router is not behaving as expected anything could happen. I suspect your phone might be switching WiFi bands and can only “see” the devices on the same band as it at that time.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
scottyboi08Author
Trending Lyricist I
April 14, 2021

@scottyboi08

I think you should get in touch with our technical support team as they can lead you through various real-time troubleshooting steps. As this new issue - highlighted in blue above - is currently undocumented on our knowledge bases, please make sure to mention the diagnosis when you get in touch. You will likely be referred to BT, however, because if the router is not behaving as expected anything could happen. I suspect your phone might be switching WiFi bands and can only “see” the devices on the same band as it at that time.

I was on the chat with Sonos all night last night. We got the beam and play 1 to appear again after endless reboots etc, but then it dropped off again within 5 mins and hasn’t returned since, again only leaving the SL. My controller can’t find them anymore. My BT hub shows the SL is on 5ghz and the other two are on 2.4. Not sure if that is the issue?

Anyway, they couldn’t solve it, so now I need to call the Sonos tech team. What time are they open til? I’ll do it tomorrow.

 

Also, BT are sending me out a disc to see if that sorts out the issue with the speakers, and will move my master socket on from the 21st for me.

Corry P
Corry P
Sonos Staff
April 15, 2021

I was on the chat with Sonos all night last night. We got the beam and play 1 to appear again after endless reboots etc, but then it dropped off again within 5 mins and hasn’t returned since, again only leaving the SL. My controller can’t find them anymore. My BT hub shows the SL is on 5ghz and the other two are on 2.4. Not sure if that is the issue?

Anyway, they couldn’t solve it, so now I need to call the Sonos tech team. What time are they open til? I’ll do it tomorrow.

 

Also, BT are sending me out a disc to see if that sorts out the issue with the speakers, and will move my master socket on from the 21st for me.

We are open 9-5, Mon-Fri in the UK. It’s such a new problem that the agent you speak to might not be aware of it (though there was an internal email about it today) - if this seems to be the case, ask the agent to search for “System not Found on iOS with BT Smart Hub 2”

I’m glad to hear BT will take your router out from under the stairs - once we get past this router issue, that will help WiFi in general, I feel.

To be honest, I don’t think adding a extender disk will help in the slightest, but I guess we’ll have to let them go through their process.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
scottyboi08Author
Trending Lyricist I
April 15, 2021

What I don’t understand is the Beam and Play 1 have worked perfectly when we moved in June last year. Literally since I bought the SL 2 weeks ago, everything has gone to pieces.

So it’s not the internet, it’s the SL that I believe has caused it to become unstable. This is why I said could it be that the SL is on the 5ghz frequency, and that’s why I can’t see the 2.4 devices on my Sonos controller, because it’s thinking they’re on separate channels? The beam still projects sound through the TV, just can’t control volume via the app, only the remote.

The only issue with calling between 9-5, is you’re likely to ask me to reboot the internet etc, which doesn’t help when working from home now. So not sure how I can do tech support with you, if when I finish work, you’re no longer open to take the calls?

scottyboi08Author
Trending Lyricist I
April 15, 2021

Update: I remembered that I turned my Sonos One SL off and have kept it turned off, and then turned off the beam and play 1 this morning, and booted them both back up, and now I’ve just checked my app after writing the prior message, and low and behold, they’re both back fine. So it is the SL that is doing something to cause an issue, as the other two work fine without it turned on?

 

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