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Avid Contributor III
August 30, 2023
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Arc - Is This Even Possible?

I wish we could have the option of either adding front 300s or at the very least, being able to control the front side speaker volumes to help create a wider front sound field.  Question is, is this even possible with firmware or software updates or would this require a whole new Arc, which would be ok too.

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melvimbe
melvimbeAnswer
August 30, 2023

Like the others said, I don’t know if the hardware in the Arc can handle it, but the better question is will they?  I have to think the answer is no. 

  • The Arc would become a very expensive center channel
  • You now have 4 front up firing speakers (assuming you use Era 300s)
  • Some customers may be confused and believe you need two additional front speakers, not an option, or just that the Arc doesn’t sound good enough on it’s own.
  • It’s adding 2 new devices to the home theatre setup, which Sonos has to ensure is stable and reliable in a typical home environment.
  • That would be additional trueplay tuning 
  • The 2 above factors means a lot of extra development work, which may or may not result in more speaker sales.
  • The ultimate home theatre setup for Sonos would now cost over $4000

If Sonos were ever to do this, I would guess that they develop a separate center channel speaker that just handles sending audio to the right speakers and center channel audio only.  Or, Sonos comes out with an Era 500 where a pair can handle left, right, upfiring, and a simulated center channel speaker.  Or maybe you have 3 Era 500s upfront for the audio.  I just don’t see them using a soundbar in this manner.

Danny

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Avid Contributor III
August 30, 2023

Thanks Danny. Good answer. So maybe the question should be, could Sonos allow us to have volume control over side and up firing speakers?

106rallye
August 31, 2023

Why? Sonos is not for “tweakers” but for people that want less cables and, stuff that “just works” and have the money to be (mostly) technically uninterested. Hence Trueplay: Sonos does all the work for you. Adding this kind of extra “control” would mean adding complexity (and this confusion) for these customers.

Stanley_4
Grand Maestro
August 31, 2023

Something that would be cool for the Arc and not require electronics changes.

I had some Infinity TSS 4000 speakers that came with multiple bases of different heights so you could go from a tiny tabletop mount to a really tall floor mount.

So change the Arc’s case so the left and right ends can be disconnected from the center section and provide various length extenders so that you could get it close to the width of your TV.

So my 65” that is 57” wide could use two 6” extenders and be as long as the TV is wide.

A 75” that is about 65” wide could use 10” ones.

A 85” that is about 74” wide could use 15” ones.

melvimbe
August 31, 2023

Thanks Danny. Good answer. So maybe the question should be, could Sonos allow us to have volume control over side and up firing speakers?

 

Sonos already lets you change the volume of upfirinng and rear speakers relative to the main volume.  This is under settings for your home theatre room.

Danny
melvimbe
August 31, 2023

Something that would be cool for the Arc and not require electronics changes.

I had some Infinity TSS 4000 speakers that came with multiple bases of different heights so you could go from a tiny tabletop mount to a really tall floor mount.

So change the Arc’s case so the left and right ends can be disconnected from the center section and provide various length extenders so that you could get it close to the width of your TV.

So my 65” that is 57” wide could use two 6” extenders and be as long as the TV is wide.

A 75” that is about 65” wide could use 10” ones.

A 85” that is about 74” wide could use 15” ones.

 

A few downsides I can see to this.

Would it screwup trueplay tuning a bit?  Not a 100% sure on that, since it would adjust to the room, but having variable distance between the LCR speakers in the front, as well as the side firing speakers.

Looking at the explode of the Arc, I don’t see that the there are clear places where you could ‘cut’ the end woofers off the Arc.  It would likely be a bit more than a minor physical redesign, like changing the hard buttons, but more closer to a full redesign.

Not sure if the separation of left and right sides would be just a cable connecting the 3 pieces together, or a physical plastic piece to make it appear as an even larger solid soundbar, but either way, you’ve added quite a few accessories to the Arc. I would assume you have to add connection ports to the various pieces, that provide audio and power.  You wouldn’t want to use normal speaker wire so that customers don’t decide to add 3rd party speakers or subs.  And your support will have to deal with issues when the left or right attachments are not working correctly.

And the Arc is already $900.  How many of your customers  are willing to spend even more for a bigger soundbar to cover the cost of developing new hardware and software for this?

I think I would rather Sonos just develop a center channel speaker with Era300s (or Era500s) for front left and right.  I’m sure the economics work out any better for that, but I would rather see that than a soundbar you can take apart.

Danny
Avid Contributor III
August 31, 2023

Thanks Danny. Good answer. So maybe the question should be, could Sonos allow us to have volume control over side and up firing speakers?

 

Sonos already lets you change the volume of upfirinng and rear speakers relative to the main volume.  This is under settings for your home theatre room.

...so why not allow us to also have control over the side firing speakers, assuming those create the front-left and front-right sound?  And here’s why...I use the system in my bedroom and rarely use it at high volumes, as a result, front left and right separation is much less defined.  Also, I have the height volume at max and still don’t hear the effect at lower volumes.  FYI, I’m in a 15’x15’ room with 10’ ceiling and sit about 12’ back from the screen.  My tv is against one wall and my bed is against the opposite wall.

Airgetlam
September 1, 2023

Interface complexity. Sonos is designed for use by my mother( if she were still with us),  not someone who spends 90 minutes tweaking the software at each install. That’s reserved for much higher market audiophile companies, I’d think. 

Bruce
Avid Contributor III
September 1, 2023

Interface complexity. Sonos is designed for use by my mother( if she were still with us),  not someone who spends 90 minutes tweaking the software at each install. That’s reserved for much higher market audiophile companies, I’d think. 

You could be right, but I hope not.  That said, those that spend as much as we do on a sound bar + rears + subs probably expect a bit more.  giving the option means we can leave it all to True Play or tweak it to our liking.  As it is, I’ve got Height raised to max and still don’t know if I hear it or not as it’s not at all obvious from min to max.

Airgetlam
September 1, 2023

Sonos doesn’t really ‘announce’ where their market design is intended to land, but it’s always felt to me much more ‘mass market’ and much less ‘high end’. They make great equipment and good software that appeals to the masses. If you want to have software and hardware  that you can tweak to the nth degree, that’s not Sonos. They’re much closer to ‘plug and play’, which suits their financial goals, as near as I can tell. 

Bruce
jgatie
September 1, 2023

You could be right, but I hope not.  That said, those that spend as much as we do on a sound bar + rears + subs probably expect a bit more.  giving the option means we can leave it all to True Play or tweak it to our liking.  As it is, I’ve got Height raised to max and still don’t know if I hear it or not as it’s not at all obvious from min to max.

 

There is a definite sweet spot to hear Atmos from an Arc.  If you aren’t in the range of the return when it bounces off the ceiling, then you aren’t going to hear much of an effect.  I sit around 11-12 feet from the Arc, with 9 foot ceilings and the effect is great.  Especially with DD Atmos trailers.  But if you aren’t in the proper range, or you have an irregular ceiling, you won’t hear it, no matter how loud you set the individual channel volume.