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Evander
Trending Lyricist II
July 7, 2020

The definitive DTS-HD sound work-around for the Sonos Arc

Hello all, I thought I would share my work-around for this much derided problem: lack of support for DTS sound on Sonos’ so-called home cinema set-up. So called, because, it does not support the sound encoding used on *most* Blu-ray Discs. I say most with good reason, out of the 100 discs I have of the most popular and mainstream films, 80% are DTS-HD.

 

For the Play Bar I had a decent work around which produced DD5.1 or DD Stereo (see here: https://en.community.sonos.com/home-theater-228993/dts-dolby-5-1-on-playbar-2015-edition-6731191).

 

For the Arc it was really annoying to have to even look for a work around, however, I think I have a solid one. Bit it does require you to be much more technical and basically, be capable of ‘ripping’ or copying your Blu-ray Discs. Before I went this route, I looked for every transcoder, box, set-up going but there is nothing. I even though about returning the Arc or buying a second one to use for DTS alone, which was a bit mad.

 

As it happened I just bought the Zappiti 4k system (which is amazing!!) and was in the process of transferring my BDs to it when the Arc arrived and presented this problem. This is what I did.

 

Set up

I made 1:1 copies of the disc using AnyDisc and MakeMKV. If you don’t want 1:1 copies for your media system/set up, you can skip this. You will need a vast amount of space...

I was able to play all Dolby encoded discs from the Hard Disk and experience TrueHD, Atmos etc. The Arc is absolutely magnificent, with a Sub and two rear Play 1s. However, even by itself, it is very impressive. Really towers above the PlayBar; kudos to Sonos. Highly recommended Atmos film: First Man--skip to the take off scene. Will blow you away!!

 

Transcoding to Dolby Digital Plus

To play DTS-HD, DTS5.1 or DTS I used Handbrake to create MKVs of the main movie (ie the single title on the disk--Handbrake will usually find it for you). Why Handbrake? It was the only software which definitely converted DTS-HD to Dolby Digital Plus. All other open source applications did not; only to DD5.1 using AC3, with a bitrate limit of 640kbps.

Re-coding to DD+ uses the E-AC3 codec and it works on the Arc with a bitrate of up to 960kbps. I don’t know why 960kbps as DD+ (which the Arc supports) is up to 1.5mbps but I only got silence once I exceeded 960kbps. I tested this many times with many discs.

E-AC3/DD++ is better than AC3/AAC and DD5.1 as these are limited to a bitrate of 640kbps. 960kbps isn't great when we are downmixing from HD sound, but better than 640kbps. Using Handbrake with the mixdown set to 5.1 channels (using E-AC3), the mkv produced was recognised by the Arc to be 5.1 channel Dolby Digital Plus.

As a result, I could experience much better sound than PCM/stereo.

Please note that I had set my Zappiti (ie media player) to pass through bitstream so the sound send to the Arc via my TV was the sound played by the MKV file.

Dolby Digital Plus is quite a rare find on disc, however, it is really good, rich sound. I don't think you can easily tell that its more comparable with “standard” 5.1 sound compared to HD sound. 

 

Ripping/making MKVs

Making MKVs from Blu-ray Discs are really straight-forward but is no substitute for an “on the fly” solution or Sonos support by way of a firmware update. However, for those who want to move away from physical discs this works very well.

 

Regards!

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Krishma M
Retired Sonos Staff
July 13, 2020

Hi @Evander, thanks for sharing this and we greatly appreciate it. We’re always doing our best to provide the best sound experience to our customers. Just let us know if you need anything. Thanks! 

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Lyricist II
July 14, 2020

There are also Blu-ray players that can convert on the fly; seems like a much easier solution?

On the other hand if you want to have everything digital this is the way to go!

Evander
EvanderAuthor
Trending Lyricist II
July 15, 2020

There are also Blu-ray players that can convert on the fly; seems like a much easier solution?

On the other hand if you want to have everything digital this is the way to go!

True (CloneBD is the best one IMO) but I wanted 1:1 copies so I could play the Dolby discs natively and if I switched to a system with DTS-HD support I had the DTS discs too. This is the longer way round but you have more flexibility as the whole disc has been copied over. It did take 12TBs though!!

# Sonos should support DTS-HD, come on man #
Evander
EvanderAuthor
Trending Lyricist II
July 15, 2020

Hi @Evander, thanks for sharing this and we greatly appreciate it. We’re always doing our best to provide the best sound experience to our customers. Just let us know if you need anything. Thanks! 

Hi Krishma thanks for your comment. I would be grateful if you could shed light on the DD+ support for the Arc. Is it limited to 960kbps as I’ve experienced? Or can the Arc play a higher bitrate in DD+? Thanks

# Sonos should support DTS-HD, come on man #
Lyricist II
July 16, 2020

There are also Blu-ray players that can convert on the fly; seems like a much easier solution?

On the other hand if you want to have everything digital this is the way to go!

True (CloneBD is the best one IMO) but I wanted 1:1 copies so I could play the Dolby discs natively and if I switched to a system with DTS-HD support I had the DTS discs too. This is the longer way round but you have more flexibility as the whole disc has been copied over. It did take 12TBs though!!

You don’t understand correctly. Not clone or store digitally, just play and the audio is automatically converted to Dolby. There have been topics about this here on the Sonos forum too. For instance see https://www.avforums.com/threads/4k-uhd-blu-ray-player-that-decodes-dts-to-dd.2260405/ (a comment there also links to the Sonos community).

Evander
EvanderAuthor
Trending Lyricist II
July 16, 2020

There are also Blu-ray players that can convert on the fly; seems like a much easier solution?

On the other hand if you want to have everything digital this is the way to go!

True (CloneBD is the best one IMO) but I wanted 1:1 copies so I could play the Dolby discs natively and if I switched to a system with DTS-HD support I had the DTS discs too. This is the longer way round but you have more flexibility as the whole disc has been copied over. It did take 12TBs though!!

You don’t understand correctly. Not clone or store digitally, just play and the audio is automatically converted to Dolby. There have been topics about this here on the Sonos forum too. For instance see https://www.avforums.com/threads/4k-uhd-blu-ray-player-that-decodes-dts-to-dd.2260405/ (a comment there also links to the Sonos community).

I’m aware of this. This is covered in my original post. My current BD player converts to DD5.1 on the fly. The reason I’ve gone to this bother is that DD+ is marginally better than DD5.1. I’m not aware of anything that transcodes to something better than DD5.1. 
 

DD5.1 is DVD sound in the Atmos age. I appreciate that 960kbps DD+ is only marginally better but the point was trying to provide the best work around in terms of sound quality. 

# Sonos should support DTS-HD, come on man #
Lyricist II
July 16, 2020

I wasn’t aware of this, thanks for telling!

Lyricist III
July 16, 2020

I have encoded using Hybrid with eAC3 over 960kbps, but can only playback using Emby and not Plex. I have posted this in the Plex forum without any replies. 

Evander
EvanderAuthor
Trending Lyricist II
July 16, 2020

I have encoded using Hybrid with eAC3 over 960kbps, but can only playback using Emby and not Plex. I have posted this in the Plex forum without any replies. 

Are you saying you can get playback on Sonos Arc with DD+ with a bitrate higher than 960kbps? Does it recognise the sound as DD+ in the Sonos App?

 

I have no knowledge of Plex or Emby but the best bitrate I achieved was 960kbps DD+ output directly to the Arc.

# Sonos should support DTS-HD, come on man #
Lyricist III
July 16, 2020

I have encoded using Hybrid with eAC3 over 960kbps, but can only playback using Emby and not Plex. I have posted this in the Plex forum without any replies. 

Are you saying you can get playback on Sonos Arc with DD+ with a bitrate higher than 960kbps? Does it recognise the sound as DD+ in the Sonos App?

 

I have no knowledge of Plex or Emby but the best bitrate I achieved was 960kbps DD+ output directly to the Arc.

Yes, through Emby only. I don't use Kodi or VLC so don't know if they work just in case anyone is wondering. I was trying to encode in TrueHD also but the only freeware that found is  limited to stereo THD.