how to positioning play1 for better surround effects?

And then they do note otherwise: (click on the surround speakers)

Left and Right Surround Speakers

Surround Speakers create a lifelike sense of spaciousness, providing ambient sound within movies. Place the speakers to the sides of the seating area, ideally just above ear height.

So just like I said then? :8

Nope, you said:

Ideally, a surround speaker will be positioned at ear height either side of the listener. There is no situation in which Dolby recommends them be at ear height except for Atmos - and even that's under very special circumstances.

And more info that says they're above ear height:

Left Surround and Right Surround Speakers (Ls & Rs): Place the Ls & Rs speakers between 90° to 110° to each side and 2 feet or higher above the listener. The Ls & Rs speakers recreate the enveloping sound and intense special effects that you experience in the cinema. (Source: http://www.thx.com/faq/#buying-setup-guides)

It may seem pedantic, but when it comes to positional audio, your ears perceive a big difference just by moving the speaker up a foot or two from ear height, even if you're the only listener - they become more diffuse and less easy to pinpoint.

How do you find the system without the Subwoofer?.

Depending on placement of the PLAYBAR, the sub isn't essential. Arguably, the SUB is a waste of money as if you're going to spend £2000 on a 5.1 set-up then you'd be better off with a full function AV system. For just a basic soundbar/music set-up though, it's a fairly good option.

The SUB will be more benefit when listening to music than watching the TV.

Off topic I know, but I find my sub essential. Bought my Playbar and although the sound was great, there was something missing for me. Added the sub and wow, what a difference. Personal opinion I appreciate.

Nope, you said:


No, you're selectively quoting. What I actually said was:


Ideally, a surround speaker will be positioned at ear height either side of the listener. In the case of multiple listeners, the head of one listener may block the sound for the other - so it may help to raise the speakers slightly. If there is a suitable wall at each end of the sofa, you could wall mount - but you should go no higher than 5 feet off the ground.


I've made the key points bold.

There is no situation in which Dolby recommends them be at ear height except for Atmos - and even that's under very special circumstances.

Except on the page that you linked where they state "keeping them at your ear height when you are seated". There is a reason speaker stands are ear height.

There isn't a Sonos speaker stand on sale that will position the speaker above the height of the listener.

And more info that says they're above ear height:

Sonos is not a THX certified system. Neither is THX linked to Dolby.


It may seem pedantic, but when it comes to positional audio, your ears perceive a big difference just by moving the speaker up a foot or two from ear height, even if you're the only listener - they become more diffuse and less easy to pinpoint.

No problems with you being a pendant, I've follow install instructions for speakers for years, mounting them at recommend height with a tape measure.

Here is the current guide I work from:

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX3300W/EU/EN/GFNFSYawzxoxsr.php

Of course I have an Atmos system and Sonos doesn't support that.

The key thing is that all guides suggest to position surround speakers to the side, not behind, yet there isn't a suitable speaker stand on sale to do this at anything higher than ear height.

Most modern systems, including Sonos, incorporate some kind of microphone based auto-tuning function.