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kaiortmanns
Contributor I
May 3, 2019

Additional stereo pair to enhance 5.1 setup

Yes I have read many other topics and comments regarding 5.1 setup and yes I understand that a Beam/Playbar/Playbase is designed as a 3.0 speaker.

BUT I honestly don't understand why I can't add 2 additional speakers, e.g. Play 5 as an additional stereo pair. I own a Playbase and a SUB (and 2 Play 1 as surround speakers). The Playbase is so smart, it has appropriate software, that it detects that a SUB has been added and reduces the bass and/or concentrates on the mid tones. The same could work with 2 additional speakers in the front area, so that the Playbase becomes a real center.

Yes, I also understand that something similar might work by grouping. But that's not a real 5.1, where the signals are split accordingly. Apart from the inconsistency that results from the different latencies of the loudspeakers.
With HDMI ARC (e.g. with the Beam), longer latencies shouldn't be a problem anymore, as the SONOS speakers can take enough time to buffer or process the signal and communicate it to the TV. This is what HDMI ARC is designed for.

Yes, I could buy an AMP (and 2 new speakers from another vendor like B&W) to get a better stereo result, both for movies and music. Especially listening to music is kind of ok with the Playbase, but not the way I imagine it to be. But this would make me lose a real center for movies.
This brings me back to 2 Play 5, which I would like to buy to get a great result for movies but maybe more importantly a great result (with SUB) for music.

SONOS, I want to give you money by buying additional speakers. Unfortunately, your current strict concept of 5.1 prevents me from doing so. Think about it.

Please extend the (software) capabilities of the 5.1 setup so that you can add 2 additional speakers as stereo pairs, making the Beam/Playbase/Playbar (or only the Beam as it is currently the only one with HDMI ARC) the center AND you can enjoy music again in STEREO with SUB.
At that point you would create a complete solution that will satisfy more demanding customers without losing the mainstream.
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kaiortmanns
Contributor I
May 4, 2019
Also: what's the alternative anyway that is better/more elegant to get best sound for TV and music in the same space?

The DENON Heos AVR with some good speakers like B&W could be an alternative. Not as elegant and flexible but pretty powerful, especially with the option to use wireless speakers for surround to avoid long cables.

I think the market is probably small for Sonos but it's possible that the development & support costs are also relatively small, and it would add some nice flexibility.

A company like Sonos with already good market share has usually 2 options to grow (and every company needs to grow).
Option 1 is to extend its user base with some new (lower end) products, like IKEA Symfonisk. I personally doubt that Sonos will have a real benefit from this move, in terms of its brand. Actually who really cares who is currently building the TVs for IKEA or the smart lighting system? It could be the same with Symfonisk. IKEA has a much larger benefit of it.
Option 2 is to sell more products to their existing customers which may have (in best case) an increasing demand for better, more powerful products over time, like me. If Sonos will not deliver this, someone else will at some point in time.
Combining both options is of course best but hardest to do.

I am a software developer. And the ability to add more speakers to a surround setup with discreet signals sounds like a software problem to me. But I may be wrong and this is not possible with existing hardware. Sonos may know.
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pwt
Virtuoso
May 4, 2019
I think the market is probably small for Sonos but it's possible that the development & support costs are also relatively small, and it would add some nice flexibility.
To be clear, the market I'm referring to is that subset of Sonos customers who would want discrete front L/R Sonos speakers in addition to a Playbar/Playbase/Beam + surrounds + sub arrangement. One of the value propositions of a playbar solution is to avoid the additional front speakers; on the other hand, there is no Sonos solution with discrete front L/C/R speakers.

A company like Sonos with already good market share has usually 2 options ...

I'll resist critiquing your business analysis. I hope that Sonos has good business strategists who are taking an evidence-based approach to the choices and tradeoffs they have to make. They have the market data, we do not.

I am a software developer. And the ability to add more speakers to a surround setup with discreet signals sounds like a software problem to me. But I may be wrong and this is not possible with existing hardware. Sonos may know.

It probably is a software problem, provided the 5GHz connectivity has enough practical bandwidth to support the extra speakers, and that the Playbar/Playbase/Beam have enough horsepower to manage the distribution of the extra channels.
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