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YouTube Music - not amused

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June 20, 2020
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I have just transferred my personal music library from Google Play Music to YouTube Music. After adding YouTube Music to my Sonos app I was horrified to find that I can no longer play my personal music library unless I am prepared to use the ‘Premium’ version of YouTube music. What is going on here and who’s responsible? I had no problem playing music from my personal music library from Google Play Music on my Sonos.

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GrahamMcD

Lyricist II

Wish I’d looked at this stream sooner. Just fallen into the same trap. Like everyone else, I’m not going to be strong-armed into shelling out for a Premium account just to play music I’ve already paid for.

Goodbye Google/YTM.

What’s your plan Baz?

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GrahamMcD

Lyricist II

I’m in the same situation. I realise that Sonos is not responsible for what Google or YouTube choose to do, but it is responsible for the services it offers.

I purchased a Sonos system specifically to enable streaming of my own personal music library which I have uploaded to the cloud over many years and keep up to date regularly. It seems I’m not the only one. The reason I want to do it via the cloud is that this allows me to use services other than Sonos, eg, in the car.

Sonos now has no service which allows me to do this. Yes, I could pay for a music streaming service that I don’t want, just to enable the access to my own music, but that would defeat the objective. I am happy that I contribute enough to the music industry by buying physical copies of all my music.

Unless I am missing something? I had a look at Plex but that seemed to just enable streaming from my own PC.

Any idea how to make sure someone from Sonos sees this? The Sonos service is downgraded by this change. They could do something about it.

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Bax57

Lyricist I

Been experimenting with keeping my music offline on an external hard drive plugged into the back of my BT hub and so accessible to all devices.So far seems to work.

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GrahamMcD

Lyricist II

Hopefully both Sonos and YTM will (or already have) realise it's in both their interests to allow Sonos and Google to carry on as before and allow users to stream their own content to their speakers and they'll have some dialogue to resolve this.

Don't dismiss the power of individual feedback either though.

How do we feed back though, other than noising off here? Sonos have made it incredibly difficult to email them.

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sjw

Local Superstar

I mean send it to Google too.

Looks like there is a ‘Submit feedback’ option at https://music.youtube.com

Airgetlam has asserted above that Sonos has no ability to influence Googe as fact whereas I believe this is just an assumption - unless I can see what it's based on.

To believe two such companies with such interdependencies don't talk or have ANY influence on each other is rather naive in my eyes.

controlav

Lead Maestro

Lets get real here: Google are an advertising company, period. They were losing money on Google Play Music, and it didn’t do anything for their ad revenue, so they decided to kill it, and send folks to YTM which does generate ad revenue.

The number of ways of playing your personal connection from the cloud has been tending to zero over the years, as it costs money to run the service but no-one wants to pay for it. There was Groove, Amazon, Google, probably others. All gone now.

Sonos can’t do any more about this than they can get Spotify to order their playlists sanely, or Apple to include every album under My Music. In fact less than this, as at least Sonos can ask them to fix these things: Sonos can hardly be expected to ask Google to not delete Play Music.

If you want to play your personal music files on you Sonos, do it locally, there are many ways of doing that.

Author of the leading independent Sonos apps for Android, MacOS, iOS, Windows and Xbox.

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GrahamMcD

Lyricist II

Lets get real here: Google are an advertising company, period. They were losing money on Google Play Music, and it didn’t do anything for their ad revenue, so they decided to kill it, and send folks to YTM which does generate ad revenue.

The number of ways of playing your personal connection from the cloud has been tending to zero over the years, as it costs money to run the service but no-one wants to pay for it. There was Groove, Amazon, Google, probably others. All gone now.

Sonos can’t do any more about this than they can get Spotify to order their playlists sanely, or Apple to include every album under My Music. In fact less than this, as at least Sonos can ask them to fix these things: Sonos can hardly be expected to ask Google to not delete Play Music.

If you want to play your personal music files on you Sonos, do it locally, there are many ways of doing that.

Couldn’t Sonos develop and operate their own cloud-based player? There’s a difference here between “nothing they can do” and “nothing they will do”. At the time of Sonos selling their product to me at a cost of several thousand pounds, a certain service was available, my reason for getting involved as it happens, which isn’t any longer.

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sjw

Local Superstar

To be clear, I'm not suggesting at all that Sonos could ask Google not to delete Play Music.

They can of course have many discussions on whether it will be replaced by an equivalent replacement and what it could mean for them.

As can the users.

I work for a large corporation who are currently switching across to G Suite from M$ and in addition to the ongoing dialogue that the company has, it's made very clear that anybody can (and are encouraged to) click that Feedback button and the more that do it the more focus it may get.

controlav

Lead Maestro

Couldn’t Sonos develop and operate their own cloud-based player? There’s a difference here between “nothing they can do” and “nothing they will do”. At the time of Sonos selling their product to me at a cost of several thousand pounds, a certain service was available, my reason for getting involved as it happens, which isn’t any longer.

Why would Sonos want to get into the cloud-player business? There is no money to be had (cf. all the dead services) and its a legal nightmare (albeit technically pretty straight-forward). Their remain many ways of playing local files, although that is an ever-diminishing user scenario.

When I bought my first Sonos gear there wasn’t a cloud, all my music was on my PC, and it worked great. In fact that still works great. Then Pandora came out, and that still works (mostly as great). Now they support ~70 different music services, which is fantastic.

Google kill products all the time, its not very wise to rely on their “free” stuff long term, unless it generates significant ad revenue.

Author of the leading independent Sonos apps for Android, MacOS, iOS, Windows and Xbox.

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amun

Couldn’t Sonos develop and operate their own cloud-based player?

They could, if they thought that there was sufficient profit in it… How much are you willing to pay for it? And can you find a few hundred thousand other people also willing to stump up the monthly fee?

At the time of Sonos selling their product to me at a cost of several thousand pounds, a certain service was available, my reason for getting involved as it happens, which isn’t any longer.

The service was provided by a third party, which Sonos kit enabled access to. The third party has now deleted the service - how is this the fault of Sonos?

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