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Enthusiast II
March 31, 2025
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Update to 80.18.23 which may include playlist editing??

  • March 31, 2025
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I note the latest Android / IOS App  includes Playlist editing with the caveat:-

 

80.18.23 (Android)

80.18.25 (iOS)

Release date: 31/03/2025

In this update:

  • Ability to create and edit Sonos playlists
    • Gradual rollout: This feature will be available to all users over time

 

Having installed this I don’t see any playlist editing features so my question is:

 

What is the timeline for making this feature available to all?   

and will it require another update to activate it ? 

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Best answer by Corry P

Hi @sjw

We can use Optimizely to enable or disable certain UI elements at will without the need for an update. My assumption (from the fact that I installed both app and player updates and yet still don’t see Playlist options) is that this is what is happening with this particular feature roll-out.

I hope this helps.

30 replies

jgatie
April 1, 2025

 

ok, but as per my original question

I do have the latest Android App version that claims to have the feature and I do have the latest OS on the devices so could you explain in your scenario why the feature doesn’t appear yet?    

 

 

I have no idea.  But it’s not because Sonos specifically chose to leave out the new functionality for your system.    

EditorAuthor
Enthusiast II
April 1, 2025

“That’s for all users.  The poster seems to think they can specify functionality at the user level.  Which is silly, both for the complexity of the task, and the thought that Sonos actually cares about something like that.” 

 

You seem to miss the point,  its not about individual users at all,  clearly it would affect groups of users by region platform or App Store location etc.     but the point is that if they can add the feature to my installation without me doing anything further (having installed the correct App and OS versions)  then they can take the feature away again.  (for a group or even for all)  

That is the concern.

 

 

 

 

jgatie
April 1, 2025

“That’s for all users.  The poster seems to think they can specify functionality at the user level.  Which is silly, both for the complexity of the task, and the thought that Sonos actually cares about something like that.” 

 

You seem to miss the point,  its not about individual users at all,  clearly it would affect groups of users by region platform or App Store location etc.     but the point is that if they can add the feature to my installation without me doing anything further (having installed the correct App and OS versions)  then they can take the feature away again.  (for a group or even for all)  

That is the concern.

 

 

Your concern is silly.  No company uses staged rollouts to withhold new functionality to groups or regions.  The individual app companies aren’t even in charge of the staged rollouts, the OS companies are.  The engineers upload the new version for release to a single server, and the app stores take it from there.

Prodigy III
April 1, 2025

​@Editor 

Have you tried force closing and reopening the app?

jgatie
April 1, 2025

Did the OP check their version number under General Settings->About Your System?  Because I got a firmware update yesterday, but no app update, and I’m still at Build 80.17.09 (Android), which is not the new update. 

EditorAuthor
Enthusiast II
April 1, 2025

​@Editor 

Have you tried force closing and reopening the app?

Yes, that’s been done and the feature does not appear (feature as described by Rhonny in their post above who have seen it).

 

My App version is confirmed as 80.18.23 (Android)

and all the Sonos devices report that they are at OS Level 84.1.63110

 

Prodigy III
April 1, 2025

I’d simply give it 24-48 hours. It will appear. As mentioned, there’s no benefit to Sonos in withholding for certain people, so it’ll simply be a roll-out idiosyncrasy.

I didn’t have the ability to edit when the app was updated yesterday (indignation temporarily kicked in for me too). But it appeared little later. 

Smilja
April 1, 2025

​@Rhonny, Are you able to save a queue as a Sonos playlist?

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Prodigy III
April 1, 2025

​@Rhonny, Are you able to save a queue as a Sonos playlist?

Not sure. I’m not at home. I’ll have a look later but I’m sure others can check and respond in lieu of this.

Local Superstar
April 1, 2025

Actually, my take is that Sonos are able to rollout functionality changes (toggle off and on) once the update has happened. That's how it reads to me anyway.

As to why they might do it, as they say, it “will allow us to monitor performance of the feature and address any issues that may come up.”

The Sonos post reads that way to me at least, hence the poster’s concern.  They said that “Sonos playlists create and edit will be available to users in a controlled, phased rollout (of it's own, separate from the update)”. Why the ‘separate from the ‘update' part if functionality can only be affected by an update? ​@Corry P , can you clarify?

I'd like it not to be the case as usually things are just a case of checking which software and firmware a user is running and taking it from there - whereas the case here could also be ‘Has the switch been pulled for the user?’ too and there is the ability to affect functionality users receive independent of the software they're running.

I don't view it as withholding functionality.