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colinbowern
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August 16, 2015
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Windows 10 Controller

  • August 16, 2015
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Do you have plans to ship a Windows 10 Store app which can be used from multiple Windows devices (PC, Phone, Xbox) to control the Sonos experience?

We are a Windows household and the desktop controller that exists for PC today is heavy and not very touch friendly. The third party Windows Phone app, Phonos, is fills a void, but not nearly as feature rich as the Android or iOS app. This has been requested for several years (https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/support-windows-8-rt-for-surface-tablet-and-windows-phone-8-for-mobile-devices-4593709) and the product management team does not address this gap beyond a blanket we have no news statement. I understand that choices have to be made. If you do not plan to address this in the net 12 months then can you at least make your API public with your apps being first and best examples of how to use that API so others can fill the gap for you?

Instead of a lot of "+1" and "me too" threads please show your support by voting on the poll below so we can get a count of the number of people who are interested in a Windows 10 app.

Would you use a Windows 10 Sonos controller app?

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Best answer by Kenneth R
Some of you have been asking about a native Windows Phone controller app for Sonos, and we’ve been slow to provide a clear answer. We’re sorry about that. The truth of the matter is that up until now we’ve been unclear internally on this very question. In fact, it’s been the source of many passionate debates because we recognize that some Sonos owners are also Windows Phone users.

In the end, however, we’ve made a decision that Sonos is not going to build a Windows Phone 8 app nor are we planning to build a Windows 10 “universal” app. We’ll of course continue to support the Windows desktop controller. We’re big fans of the work Microsoft is doing across many areas, including mobile, voice control, AI, VR and of course the Groove music service, available on Sonos.

We know this is super frustrating for Windows Phone owners anxious for more native apps on the platform, but like other companies we've had to place our bets. Our focus right now is on Voice and Paid Streaming Services, and we’re exploring quite a few innovative ways to experience and control your music – on your device and off.

We’ll be sure to keep this group informed of our progress.

Thanks,
Kenneth

368 replies

Lyricist III
April 19, 2016
that's a shame. I was looking forward to filling my house that I've just moved into. I was so confident that you'd make a UWP that I almost splurged 600 on 4 play 1's. seems like I've dodged a bullet. thanks for letting us know.
Ken_Griffiths
April 19, 2016
that's a shame. I was looking forward to filling my house that I've just moved into. I was so confident that you'd make a UWP that I almost splurged 600 on 4 play 1's. seems like I've dodged a bullet. thanks for letting us know.

It's a pity that Sonos don't make a cheap hardware controller anymore, although I think a second-hand cheap "touch-screen" android device purchased from eBay etc. could be used just for that purpose and left at home... I reckon you could do that for less than £20 (or equivalent in whatever currency you use) ..That way nicbirch you would still be able to buy and play the best multiroom, multi-speaker wireless audio system that is available for home use, today.

It appears to me to be a shame to miss out on so much, for so little.
Lyricist III
April 19, 2016
that's a shame. I was looking forward to filling my house that I've just moved into. I was so confident that you'd make a UWP that I almost splurged 600 on 4 play 1's. seems like I've dodged a bullet. thanks for letting us know.

It's a pity that Sonos don't make a cheap hardware controller anymore, although I think a second-hand cheap "touch-screen" android device purchased from eBay etc. could be used just for that purpose and left at home... I reckon you could do that for less than £20 (or equivalent in whatever currency you use) ..That way nicbirch you would still be able to buy and play the best multiroom, multi-speaker wireless audio system that is available for home use, today.

It appears to me to be a shame to miss out on so much, for so little.


I do have androids that I could use, but I'm looking forward to the integration of the windows platform with apps related to streaming music (which sonos could obviously have been a part of) e.g. Cortana, xbox. I'm not going to invest in a system that is refusing to integrate, when I'm pretty sure that someone else will recognise the potential and build a system that is useable with the whole windows platform. All Microsoft needs to do is release an audio version of their display adapters and hey presto, the system exists. They're getting their act together, so I don't think it'll be long before I'm telling Cortana to play some music through my wireless speakers whilst at the same time turning heating on and locking the back door 😃
Lyricist I
April 19, 2016
Hi,

Really disappointing to hear Sonos is not going to release a Windows universal app.
I'm a Windows developer myself and Microsoft has released tools to convert ios apps to Wiindows without starting from scratch. Advising users to use a third party app is simply unacceptable and just ignoring user requests.

There is also a topic about problems with the Groove music service which I also use. Songs are skipped in the middle of the song. This problem is still not solved after 3 months ???

Maybe Sonos can just let us know they won't support Windows at all.

I was planning to add Play 1 speakers to my setup but after reading such news this isn't going to happen for sure.
Ken_Griffiths
April 19, 2016
Hi,

Really disappointing to hear Sonos is not going to release a Windows universal app.
I'm a Windows developer myself and Microsoft has released tools to convert ios apps to Wiindows without starting from scratch. Advising users to use a third party app is simply unacceptable and just ignoring user requests.

There is also a topic about problems with the Groove music service which I also use. Songs are skipped in the middle of the song. This problem is still not solved after 3 months ???

Maybe Sonos can just let us know they won't support Windows at all.

I was planning to add Play 1 speakers to my setup but after reading such news this isn't going to happen for sure.


My point is that some people are waiting for some future developments in other areas that may, or may not happen and clearly in the case of Sonos the company have made their decision and announced it. Can't say fairer than that, I guess, even if we disagree with it.

I haven't seen any other company announcements elsewhere yet, so I was simply suggesting that a user could still go out and buy the Sonos products and use them right now. It's about adapting to such announcements, especially in the absence of anything else ... We can't all have everything we want, just how we want it... and my thoughts are you maybe waiting months ... and many of them.

By all means wait around for the future and see what the developments bring in the coming weeks, months or years, but my point was you could be listening to a great multi-room, multi-speaker system right now and the Sonos products do tend to hold their price rather well for when you decide to move onto your next option.

I myself, want to buy the new iPhone 7, when it comes out, but as an interim I have bought an iPhone 5s... It could be that Apple delay the launch of the 7 due to technical reasons etc...but when I do eventually get it I will give the 5s to my son. I'm not just going to sit around with no phone and wait to see what happens.

I think it's crazy to deny yourself the 'experience' of Sonos, because of some limitation that stands in the way. I have many products from numerous companies to satisfy my technology needs and yes these things can cost a tidy penny, but there are no pockets in shrouds.

Many people here, clearly in this thread, want Sonos Speakers and products, otherwise they 'most likely' would not be part of this community forum, so why deny themselves so much, simply because the Windows mobile platform is excluded, especially when there are so many other options and cheap methods to resolve this.

I think some are therefore missing out, right now and perhaps for some time to come, but I sincerely hope you all get what you wish for... But why wait for the next bus to come along (or the one after that), when you could start walking.
Lyricist I
April 19, 2016
Shame really, I was going to look at putting something like Sonos in when we remodelled the Kitchen and Living room. Too bad you guys are happy to ignore 200 million active users. Near 35000 people have viewed this page and yet it is deemed that there is not enough interest.
Enthusiast I
April 19, 2016
Hi,

Really disappointing to hear Sonos is not going to release a Windows universal app.
I'm a Windows developer myself and Microsoft has released tools to convert ios apps to Wiindows without starting from scratch. Advising users to use a third party app is simply unacceptable and just ignoring user requests.

There is also a topic about problems with the Groove music service which I also use. Songs are skipped in the middle of the song. This problem is still not solved after 3 months ???

Maybe Sonos can just let us know they won't support Windows at all.

I was planning to add Play 1 speakers to my setup but after reading such news this isn't going to happen for sure.


My point is that some people are waiting for some future developments in other areas that may, or may not happen and clearly in the case of Sonos the company have made their decision and announced it. Can't say fairer than that, I guess, even if we disagree with it.

I haven't seen any other company announcements elsewhere yet, so I was simply suggesting that a user could still go out and buy the Sonos products and use them right now. It's about adapting to such announcements, especially in the absence of anything else ... We can't all have everything we want, just how we want it... and my thoughts are you maybe waiting months ... and many of them.

By all means wait around for the future and see what the developments bring in the coming weeks, months or years, but my point was you could be listening to a great multi-room, multi-speaker system right now and the Sonos products do tend to hold their price rather well for when you decide to move onto your next option.

I myself, want to buy the new iPhone 7, when it comes out, but as an interim I have bought an iPhone 5s... It could be that Apple delay the launch of the 7 due to technical reasons etc...but when I do eventually get it I will give the 5s to my son. I'm not just going to sit around with no phone and wait to see what happens.

I think it's crazy to deny yourself the 'experience' of Sonos, because of some limitation that stands in the way. I have many products from numerous companies to satisfy my technology needs and yes these things can cost a tidy penny, but there are no pockets in shrouds.

Many people here, clearly in this thread, want Sonos Speakers and products, otherwise they 'most likely' would not be part of this community forum, so why deny themselves so much, simply because the Windows mobile platform is excluded, especially when there are so many other options and cheap methods to resolve this.

I think some are therefore missing out, right now and perhaps for some time to come, but I sincerely hope you all get what you wish for... But why wait for the next bus to come along (or the one after that), when you could start walking.


Have to agree. I have made the argument for a Windows app on this (or similar) threads for many years now and while I'm disappointed with Sonos' decision it is not the issue it was a few years ago. There are good third party apps out there, Phonos & Chirp to name a couple, and even if they are not free the price pales to insignificance compared to even a single Play 1.

The era of the app appears to be on the decline in any case, looked through my app list the other day and was amazed at how few I actually use, and that's on a platform with an "app gap". I'm intrigued as to what Sonos will come up with to compete with low cost smart solutions such as Amazon's Echo which offer superior connectivity at a fraction the price, at the expense of sound quality admittedly. I think Sonos are probably correct to not be focusing on app development at the moment, they have an awful lot of work to do to continue justifying their premium pricing and I think the only way to do so is to become much more seamless, something apps simply cannot offer. I only hope that whatever they are planning for a post-app world is available for all to use regardless of their choice of OS.

I would just like to thank Sonos once again for the honesty shown, even if a little late. I for one appreciate it and will continue to use my system, with the Chirp app until the current research has borne fruit. Perhaps though Sonos could see their way to giving some support to the people working to provide third party support on Windows, numerous devs seem to be having trouble with music services. As these developers are working to extend the reach of your product a little support to make the third party apps the best they can possibly be seems like a no-brainer.
Lyricist I
April 19, 2016
With very low cost (iOS bridge) to create and huge install base (270 million), I'm really surprised that Sonos made such stupid decision. Wake up, SONOS, Please!
jgatie
April 19, 2016
With very low cost (iOS bridge) to create and huge install base (270 million), I'm really surprised that Sonos made such stupid decision. Wake up, SONOS, Please!

The vast majority of those 270 million are desktops and laptops that run just fine with the current Windows Controller. Even with a "low cost" to porting a new app, there is obviously no gain to spending that low cost if it is only going to gain them the miniscule Windows mobile market.
Lyricist III
April 20, 2016
Finally.

Its good to see that the effort has paid off and Sonos have finally come clean.

All completely avoidable. I sincerely hope this episode has taught Sonos something about how they interact with the community for future.