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Enthusiast I
October 25, 2017

Unadulterated Hatred for New App

  • October 25, 2017
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I've used Sonos for several years now, and while I haven't been fan of the controller software it never caused me the level of frustration and outright anger I feel every time i use it now. It did it's job and overall I never gave it much thought. Context: we have 5 Play 1's, one Play 3 and one Play 5. 95% of the time I use the Android controller to control my system, unless I'm working from home on my Windows machine, and then I will use the Windows app. (Thank God I still have that...)

I'd been ignoring the new release, as I knew I had no need for the Alexa features, but finally relented, as I got sick of seeing the prompt in the UI, and foolishly had not read any comments about the upgrade. From the get go, my first thoughts were:

* Slow and sluggish - I use the software on a Nexus 9 tablet and a Pixel phone. On both of those devices the UI is markedly slower than the previous one, especially when searching for artists or tracks, or grouping/un-grouping devices.
* Utterly unintuitive UI - Almost everything I've wanted to do I've had to experiment with for sometimes minutes, to figure out how in the world to do it. Trying to find how to play my Napster playlist, how to see what is queued in a given room, how to only search a given music provider, etc. For example, this morning, I turned on the app, went to the My Sonos page and clicked a station I like. It started playing on one speaker in the bedroom. No idea why it picked that speaker. The app had just opened, no room was active in the little strip at the bottom, and that hadn't been what I had last played on that speaker. I asked myself 'how do I turn off what is playing on that speaker'? I went to the Rooms page. I could see that something was playing on that speaker, with the little moving bar icons, but when I would select that speaker, then arrow up so it is filling the screen, the UI had no active controls to turn off the station; there were no active icons for stopping what was playing. I gave up after playing around for like 5 minutes and just walked over and turned the speaker off. I've had so many of these kinds of interactions, and I honestly cannot tell if these are bugs, truly missing features, or complete and utter sh$% design that has disabled functionality that used to be intuitive and straightforward.
* More clicks/interactions to do anything - For what works, and I can figure out how to do it, it seems that I have to navigate all over the place to do the most trivial things: finding my playlist within Napster, accessing alarms, switching to another room (when it works)...it feels like everything is at least twice as difficult/time-consuming as before
* Completely shattered my view of this company - Sonos has been one of my most absolute favorite products in the last few years. Not only did I love your speaker quality (still do) but from the first time I started using the software, and seeing how easy it was to browse across my many catalogs and throw different music on different rooms...I was thrilled. I have recommended it all the time to friends and family. No more. I cannot conceive how this product shipped in its current state. It is mind-blowingly bad. I think it is the worst application I've ever used, period, from a pure 'WTF' ratio. (Formula: time spent using app / WTFs uttered) We had been planing on adding more speakers, but forget that. We are officially in wait-and-see mode at this point, as I've lost complete faith that you guys care in the least about your customers. (My wife thinks this app is completely confusing and she regrets updating her iPad.)

After reading all the comments, I also agree that the color scheme is not as pleasing as the previous one, esp. since we do often use the app at night and/or in dim rooms. But that is the least of my complaints. I would gladly take a glaringly bright app if it worked well and was a pleasure to use.

I hardly ever give feedback, but I felt compelled to do so in this case. I am a professional software architect, who has designed many UIs over the last 20 years, and I daily work with people who use my software. I'm stunned that this product was released as-is. Did this honesty get through anything approaching a focus group made up of experienced users? I get the impression that the designers of this version have never used any of the previous versions, and aren't accustomed to using the product itself on a daily basis. Next to Windows 8, this is probably the single biggest WTF I've ever had with a piece of software I use on a regular basis. If Sonos was determined to release this, they should have released it as a *different app* that users could choose to install while keeping the current one, while explicitly soliciting feedback and then switching over when that one was ready and baked. ("Try the new Sonos Controller vNext.") This feels like a proof-of-concept/alpha release that just got slung out there. ("Works on my box!")

I'm so disappointed in this release, as Sonos was an element of daily joy in my life, and now each time I interact with the software I get pissed off. From the few comments of people who like this release, I seem to read elements of 'Sonos is trying to model it after streaming services', or something to that effect. Ummm. OK. I have never struggled with Napster, iHeartRadio, Pandora, or Spotify like I've struggled with this POS. And those apps *are not designed to control you speakers* which is the whole point of the Sonos Controller. Most of the streaming services excel at giving a UI that allows you to search for and find music, esp. new music; Sonos never did that well, and still doesn't. But I didn't care, as I didn't buy the product to be my music catalog; I bought it to listen to the music I want to listen to. It served it's purpose of letting me easily control what to play where, and I was proficient finding what I wanted to play easily via the search. That is now out the window.

Sonos, you need to redo this app quickly or make the old one available. Are you reading the comments and feedback, not only here but in the Google Play reviews? It is overwhelmingly negative for many valid reasons. This is like New Coke and Windows 8 bad. You guys are going to lose out on a lot more speaker sales from established customers if you basically flip us all the bird by keeping this version. At least put the old version back out there and give us the option of installing that. That is the least you could do.
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    35 replies

    Lyricist I
    October 30, 2017
    I can't believe how bad the 8.1 version of the sonos app is. I bought Sonos because the app managed speakers so well. I have never thought Sonos audio quality was up to the level of Klipsch, but loved the app so much I didn't care. The 8.1 version of this apply simply doesn't work. It's non intuitive and broken. I have looked for the old version of the app hoping I could remove and install the old version. No such luck. Sonos, please make the old version available while you straighten this mess out.
    wlearyAuthor
    Enthusiast I
    October 30, 2017
    Wanted to give my final thoughts on the new version to the team. It's been now almost a week of using, with more intent and thought than I usually give software that is not my own. Now that the bad controller install issue is resolved, my personal points of irritation remain the Rooms UI.

    Minor as it is, it's annoying always having to scroll. There is so much wasted real estate, being taken up by nothing of value, on a screen I use frequently each time I interact with the software. And I don't know if I have to scroll up or down. It makes me feel like I'm hunting for it, and this functionality used to be, at least for me, much more intuitive and seamless on all previous versions I have used, since you used to be able to see in a single glance your entire room listing, in a nice compact list. It's a fractional little time waster/annoyance.

    And the primary issue for me is I still continue to accidentally click the red drop-down in the room/now playing page when I intend to switch rooms. I know many other posters say it is just 'muscle memory' that is the issue, but muscle memory is something that comes from actions that you perform over and over again. I suspect we all use Sonos a little differently, and some people are probably interacting with the Controller much more than others. I personally switch rooms more often than I send music to a different configuration. I guess I don't interact with it enough to have reached the point where I still don't have to think about 'oh yeah, must click back button or the little drop down'. I actually do like the drop-down for what it is intended for: it is really nice for quickly sending music to other speakers. But labeling it with the current room name doesn't convey that function. Actually switching to control another room is really inefficient and takes too much intentional thought (and clicks/touches) from my perspective.

    There are a couple concepts in software development, especially UIs: 'don't make me think' and the 'pit of success'. I think the first one is pretty explanatory. The second one refers to software that generally leads a user to do the right thing and makes it harder to do the wrong thing. (See https://blog.codinghorror.com/falling-into-the-pit-of-success/) Obviously, all of this is subjective, and up to personal interpretation, but I think the visual cue on the room page screams 'switch rooms', not 'send music to different rooms'. But maybe that's just me...

    I suspect the app may have changed to make internationalization easier, as the vertical orientation may make dealing with left-to-right/right-to-left languages easier, and perhaps make varying character sets representation easier./better I understand the need for changes. I do also like that it's easier, esp. on a phone to control things with a single hand, as the navigation on the bottom makes it easy to control with your thumb, and I overall like the concept at least of the 'My Sonos' page, and agree with others thoughts for improvement.

    I checked the Sonos controller version history, and looks like we've been using the software since version 5.3. This is the first version that I've struggled with, and is why I joined the forums. Definitely looking forward to the future versions, and hoping Sonos can achieve what it is trying to do functionally while making the app easier to use for those of us who have, in our eyes at least, valid usability issues.
    October 30, 2017
    @wleary. A fair and balanced view, IMO. I am confident that Sonos will make some essential improvements and maybe that with a bit more familiarity on your part will leave you feeling happier.

    I suspect that Sonos have aimed at making all mobile controller apps look the same, and this might explain what you refer to as wasted real estate. It may also have meant a bigger shock for habitual iPad users than for those of us who use the phone app all the time.
    Lyricist I
    October 30, 2017
    The new UI is a likely deal breaker if Sonos doesn't issue a downgrade installation. I can and will go to another home music system (Google, Apple, or hardware name brands) if the awkward mess of the new Controller app isn't simplified and returned to its original, low functioning, less ugly version. Whatever you do, please get rid of the black background with tiny, gray type. The app does not provide clear album art work or legible recording information.

    In my opinion, something bad has happened at Sonos lately. Today I got a political activist tract from the Sonos CEO Patrick Spence, going on and on about a worldwide threat to music and how Sonos is going to institute a new wave of protections, resistance, and opportunities in order to fight against the war on music. Can we just keep the political stuff out of Sonos? There is no war on music. Sonos is about home entertainment systems. You've got a great hardware product, plus the foundation for a really enjoyable home music system, possibly integrated with the home entertainment system. Concentrate on much needed improvements to the software, upgrade the hardware, and surrender the imaginary war on music.
    Trending Lyricist I
    October 31, 2017
    Obviously, all of this is subjective, and up to personal interpretation, but I think the visual cue on the room page screams 'switch rooms', not 'send music to different rooms'. But maybe that's just me...

    Perhaps a small textual/visual cue in the red dropdown could help. Instead of saying:

    Living Room

    it could say:

    Playing in: Living Room

    A minor change like this would at least distinguish this list from the Rooms list on the rooms tab. Just my 2 cents.
    Lyricist II
    November 8, 2017
    It's like it never occurred to them: have TWO apps! Having to re-learn a UI for no apparent benefit. Oh, joy.
    jgatie
    November 8, 2017
    It's like it never occurred to them: have TWO apps! Having to re-learn a UI for no apparent benefit. Oh, joy.

    Apple forbids two versions of an app, unless one is an older legacy version that cannot be updated. Since Sonos cannot update the older version, eventually it will cease working with the current firmware and/or services, which is why legacy versions are not offered in this way.
    Lyricist I
    November 23, 2017
    Having owned Sonos equipment for many years, I've always been frustrated by their software and its clear to me that they are a hardware company and have no idea how to develop software. They should really either accept that and make software development open-source or fire their developer and bring in a new team. I keep hoping with every release that it will get better but unfortunately it doesn't. It seems like they keep their developer in an isolated environment with no exposure to current UI concepts. Ultimately I hate this product because I'm dependant on it.
    December 1, 2017
    I hope sonos is considering the removal of some chief software engineers, which are responsible for this disaster. Considering the very high price of these speakers, you would expect better. I decided not to expand my existing setup, and instead, for the same money as two play5, i bought two (removed). Fantastic sound, leaves Sonos in the dust. Still have Sonos for multiroom feature, but when i want quality sound i go to my (removed).You don't seem to have any Sonos products listed on your profile at the time I am writing and only joined today. So forgive me if I wonder if this is just a plug for another system.
    jgatie
    December 1, 2017
    You don't seem to have any Sonos products listed on your profile at the time I am writing and only joined today. So forgive me if I wonder if this is just a plug for another system.

    Of course it is. Just the fact they had to disguise the name of the product they are spamming points to that. :8