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Enthusiast I
November 3, 2017

Take Heed Sonos Devs

  • November 3, 2017
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While you sit in your conference rooms and debate the 8.x app with corporate speak sentences like "They will get used to it" and "This happens every major upgrade" and "Scale-able, cross-platform modern blah blah blah.....".
One thing that has never happened before with my Sonos house happened last night. And it is important you realize the significance.

I had three couples over for drinks and I put on one of my playlists and then I turned the ipad over and placed it under my bar. I did it without thinking - it just seemed less distracting that way.

This morning i did think about it however. I had never done that before. I tend to hand off the Ipad and let guests marvel at my wonderful Sonos system. I let them pick music from the seemingly endless inventory of tunes from Google and Apple. Soon old songs are played that bring back great memories - people sing and some might even dance.
It almost always turns into a "So what is this Sonos thing?".

Last night. That did not happen.
The new interface is just confusing enough for new users that i have to give a tutorial I didn't feel like giving a tutorial.
The aesthetic is a bit too glaring and, in my opinion, not as attractive as it once was.

Your app is more than a tool. It is a showpiece. And we, the owners of Sonos dearly love to show it off. The speakers, yeah, they the Wow factor when the rich sound fills the house but when a new user touches the app and finds any song at the end of their fingertips, you can almost see the excitement in their eyes.

So while we can debate endlessly of 8.x being intuitive or not intuitive or 8.x being an evolutionary step forward or backward, one thing is a stone cold fact: six people did not fall in love with Sonos last night.

And THAT is something you should worry about.
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    Renowned Enthusiast I
    November 6, 2017
    IThe discussion of muscle memory and familiarity is both on topic and reasonable
    It's a small piece of a bigger puzzle which you keep on ignoring. Doesn't matter what other points people bring up, you won't address them. You just repeat your little rant and try to limit the thread to just that. And yes, that's derailing the conversation.

    But please stop confusing disagreement with bullying or rudeness.
    If you don't think it's rude to cal people childish, overly dramatic about a first world problem, etc, you need your eyes checked.

    Again, until informed by the mods I am in violation of the TOS I, like all of you, will post what I like, when I like.\
    Says the bully..
    Trending Lyricist I
    November 6, 2017
    "As always, before we can debate this point, there has to be a working definition of the word "audiophile" and from there of the word "audiophile speaker". What is that, please? I still haven't found a good one."

    What defines audiophile? it can be no more than a personal opinion, it can be relative to what other equipment a person has experienced hearing before, and may well be down to someones individual hearing profile and range.

    I think "audiophile" defines equipment (and possibly surroundings) that is able to reproduce a particular frequency range faithfully and accurately without any unwanted distortion or colouring, and without compromise.

    I think that "an audiophile" is a Hi-Fi enthusiast.


    A person may have a Fiat Uno Turbo and think that it is a very fast car.

    Another person may have a Bugatti Veyron and think that it is a very fast car.

    The Bugatti owner is unlikely to think the Fiat is a very fast car.


    While they do sound good for the size, I wouldn't call a pair of Sonos Ones "audiophile".
    November 6, 2017
    I would. But I am now a music enthusiast, not a HiFi fan.
    Trending Lyricist I
    November 6, 2017
    I wouldn't. I have always been a music enthusiast, and then a HiFi enthusiast too.

    But I do not need audiophile equipment to enjoy music.

    Indeed, I enjoy it even on the Sonos One.

    😛
    November 6, 2017
    I would. But I am now a music enthusiast, not a HiFi fan.

    OK, so you're no longer "a person who is enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction" - that's entirely your choice. We all make compromises to suit our particular situation. However, you shouldn't expect people who actually do still care about the quality of sound reproduction in their home to settle for Sonos kit just on your say so - particularly when their own ears tell them something very different indeed.

    As has been said in this thread and elsewhere - Sonos kit is very good for the cost and size, quite possibly the best in it's class. "Audiophile quality", though? - give us a break.
    November 6, 2017
    Good for you. I have to confess that in my full blown audiophile past, I had succumbed to the all too common among audiophiles syndrome of seeing music as a test signal. Or losing sight of the moon in manicuring the finger pointing at it; take your pick of descriptions.

    Now, in my main listening space a 1 pair + Sub delivers much more music of the same quality as my now sold "audiophile" set ups. As my 1 pair does on my desktop.

    Oops, the post is meant only for shadybee.
    November 6, 2017
    Now, in my main listening space a 1 pair + Sub delivers much more music of the same quality as my now sold "audiophile" set ups. As my 1 pair does on my desktop.
    It's amazing how you expect people to take this seriously, and puts serious doubts about the quality of your previous "audiophile" setup - amongst other things.
    November 6, 2017
    LOL.
    Trending Lyricist I
    November 6, 2017
    Kumar

    Critical listening, and listening to music are two different activities.

    I can only assume your previous "audiophile set ups" were "audiophile" to only your ears if your Sonos Ones sound better than a decent dedicated amplifier and full size speakers.

    Someone at work once came in with what he thought was a "top end designer Italian suit" that he purchased at Ciro Citterio in Oxford Street, and he was happy with it.

    Out of interest, what was your previous "audiophile" set up?

    I understand Specsavers offer a free hearing test. Maybe you should give them a try. No offence intended, as we all get older we lose a few kHz from the top end...

    Enjoy the Sonos Ones.

    :8

    PS:, no need for Oop's.. If you wish to amend a post, just click on the 3 little dots down there on the bottom right of your post, and you will see an option to edit.

    If you don't see the 3 little dots, while you are in Specsavers you can go for the full service and have them check your eyesight too...

    😉
    November 6, 2017

    Out of interest, what was your previous "audiophile" set up?

    I understand Specsavers offer a free hearing test. Maybe you should give them a try. No offence intended, as we all get older we lose a few kHz from the top end...

    No offence taken; and I know I can't hear beyond 14 -15 kHz and I don't much care about that. There is nought to be done about it, leave alone test for this. And if hearing loss of this kind allows me to find the same pleasure as in the past in a 1 pair/ 1 pair + Sub, I see that loss as a blessing. Also because in that past, I was restricted to what I heard - it had to be good enough to be worthy of my "audiophile" kit, and available. Now, I don't much care: Robert Johnson sounds as good as Joe Bonamassa. Or Lester Young as good as Scott Hamilton, for another comparison. From lossless ripped CDs or from Apple Music/Google Play.
    My last set up, since you ask, was:
    1. Marantz KI Signature SACDP
    2. Quad 99/909 amplification
    3. Harbeth C7 speakers
    4. Van den Hul interconnects and speaker cables.
    With some power conditioners and isolation platforms throw in.