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Contributor I
Dec 14, 2019 3:19 PM UTC
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Sort playlist by date added

Hi pals,

is there an option to sort a playlist “upside down” meaning that the songs least added to a spotify playlist will be at the top?

I recently found this feature in the spotify app itself but did not see any equivalent in the SONOS app.

As my “Star rated” playlist on spotify contains roughly 1000 songs it would be handy to get faster to the tracks I recently added.

Thank you in advance!

Chris 

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Ryan S
Ryan SAnswer
Retired Sonos Staff
Dec 17, 2019 9:08 PM UTC

Hi Chris, there isn’t an option to control the sort of the display for playlists within Sonos, but I’ll pass along the request for you to the team. They love hearing what people are looking for, but can’t always promise to be able to change things. 

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Ryan S
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Retired Sonos Staff
Dec 17, 2019 9:08 PM UTC

Hi Chris, there isn’t an option to control the sort of the display for playlists within Sonos, but I’ll pass along the request for you to the team. They love hearing what people are looking for, but can’t always promise to be able to change things. 

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controlav
Lead Maestro
Dec 18, 2019 2:57 PM UTC

Sonos have no idea when you added a song to Spotify, and no ability to sort anything, so chances of this are close to zero. Spotify on the other hand do know this stuff, so ask them for the feature.

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Contributor I
Jan 8, 2020 5:23 PM UTC

Well it would then just be a matter for Spotify to pass this date information through the web services used by Sonos to pull the playlist… CR needs to come from Sonos to Spotify!

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Contributor I
Feb 6, 2020 8:35 AM UTC

This is also an issue for youtube music playlists. It's actually infuriating. The playlists feature of the sonos app is terribly implemented actually. It's so.... Option less. 

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Lyricist I
Jun 13, 2020 4:27 PM UTC

I upvote this post. 

The option is avaliable in the api! 

I have trust in you! You can implement this for us! 

Many thanks 

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controlav
Lead Maestro
Jun 14, 2020 1:27 PM UTC
  1. Sonos have no idea what date anything is added or created for music service items
  2. Sonos have never implemeted the sorting of anything, ever, anywhere, for many reasons
  3. This is Spotify’s problem to solve as they know #1 and can easily do #2 in their service
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Contributor I
Sep 24, 2020 11:01 PM UTC
  1. Sonos have no idea what date anything is added or created for music service items
  2. Sonos have never implemeted the sorting of anything, ever, anywhere, for many reasons
  3. This is Spotify’s problem to solve as they know #1 and can easily do #2 in their service


Can you elaborate on this? The required information (`added_at`) is available via the Spotify API:

https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/reference/object-model/#playlist-track-object

Are you suggesting that Spotify should create unique playlists for each desired ordering? What exactly should we request of Spotify here?

And Sonos does allow you to sort your queue by manually moving items, but that’s pretty rudimentary.  Surely basic ordering operations are a primary requirement for a device which is primarily for music playback? For what reason wouldn’t they implement this?

 

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controlav
Lead Maestro
Sep 25, 2020 1:31 PM UTC


Can you elaborate on this? The required information (`added_at`) is available via the Spotify API:

https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/reference/object-model/#playlist-track-object

 

Sonos require all music services to expose their content via their own api called SMAPI. This is so Sonos themselves don’t have to use 70 different music service APIs themselves (many years ago they did and it was unscalable), Spotify themselves created their SMAPI service, and they choose exactly how to deliver their own content.

The SMAPI API has no property for “added_at”, and Sonos have never attempted to sort third party content anyway, for so many reasons. Any sorting must be done by the music provider, as only they have the underlying data, and only they can efficiently expose a sorted list through pagination.

For more about SMAPI, see https://developer.sonos.com/build/content-service-get-started/

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Contributor I
Sep 25, 2020 11:55 PM UTC

Ok, thanks for the info.

However, if Sonos’ SMAPI spec doesn’t have an `added_ad` property, how can Spotify implement it?

Sonos also do provide a shuffle and manual reorder capability, so it’s not true that they don’t do any sorting. I think in this instance, simply providing a reverse playlist option would be sufficient, and wouldn’t require further metadata. It appears that the current implementations for ‘shuffle’ and ‘play all’ pull the entire list into the queue, so in terms of pagination simply adding a ‘reverse’ option wouldn’t change anything.  I’ll create a new topic here if there isn’t one already.

 

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controlav
Lead Maestro
Sep 26, 2020 11:41 AM UTC

Spotify need to provide a way of presenting their lists in the opposite order. Only they have access to the necessary data.

Sonos support shuffling and editing their queue only, which is very different to sorting the lists that the music services provide. Both operations are easy to support on large lists with the limited memory on the older devices, but a real Sort operation is not. With S2 there are more possibilities I guess, but no sign of changes in this area so far.

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