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October 6, 2021
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S2 possible on S1 hardware, if Sonos enable it?

  • October 6, 2021
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I heard from a friend of mine that technically, S2 is possible on S1 hardware - and all it takes is for Sonos to enable it on your system (which seemingly they can do remotely, presumably though your log on account).

I’m told that if you have a big enough setup (ie. you’ve spent enough money with them) and make enough of a fuss, they’ll enable S2 for you. I have no idea if there are limitations once done, but S2 isn’t wildly different from S1 anyway, so probably not.

Anyone know any more about this?

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Best answer by melvimbe

My guess would be that this rumor actually has some basis in fact, but as it was passed on from person to person, it got twisted into something that’s wholly incorrect.

There are several Sonos speakers that are capable of running on both S1 and S2 systems.  To name a few, play:1, Sonos One, playbar, play:5, play3, etc.  So yes, these speaker can be running on an S1 system, and then upgraded to run on a S2 system.  This is not a secret at all.  There are also some speakers that are only capable of running on S1, such as the old ZP devices and Connect and Connent:Amp made before a certain date (the exact date, I don’t recall).  There is no way that these legacy devices can operate in an S2 system.  Of course, Sonos newest products are S2 only.  

It’s entirely possible that someone alone the chain of this rumor misunderstood how it works, and possible little understanding of Sonos products at all and started claiming that any device can run on S2….that’s how they interpreted what they were told.  Indeed, there really isn’t any such thing S1 or S2 hardware, as S1/S2 designates the operating system, not hardware classification.  I don’t think there is any official hardware classifications that Sonos has made, as each product has different hardware with different capabilities, depending on it’s function and the price/availability of hardware at the time the product was released.  The closest I’ve heard is referring to S1 only devices as ‘legacy’ while everything else is ‘modern’.

 

38 replies

Lyricist II
December 14, 2021

Its marketing and nothing more…. not enough CPU or memory?  S2 does not run on the speaker, only firmware.  Someone made a poor decision and here we sit.  Thousands in gear that’s EOL due to some pricks marketing decision.  It would be different if SONOS was actually doing a good trade in program, but the $$$ off new to upgrade sucks!

They could have wrote a new APP that’s backwards compatible, I wasn’t born yesterday.

Now my new Roam is just BT…..

Airgetlam
December 14, 2021

The firmware is S2, or S1. The only gear that is EOL is the 30 pin dock for iOS devices, and the CR100 remote controller. All other devices continue to run as they always have. 
 

You may not have been born yesterday, but you don’t seem to understand memory or CPU restrictions when talking about the firmware that operates the computer in each Sonos device. 

Bruce
December 14, 2021

S2 does not run on the speaker, only firmware. 

What?  You appear to have no understanding whatsoever of how Sonos works, which does rather undermine your argument.

jgatie
December 14, 2021

Its marketing and nothing more…. not enough CPU or memory?  S2 does not run on the speaker, only firmware.  Someone made a poor decision and here we sit.  Thousands in gear that’s EOL due to some pricks marketing decision.  It would be different if SONOS was actually doing a good trade in program, but the $$$ off new to upgrade sucks!

They could have wrote a new APP that’s backwards compatible, I wasn’t born yesterday.

Now my new Roam is just BT…..

 

The app is a controller, that is all.  It has nothing to do except issue control commands.  90% of all functionality is done by the firmware on the players themselves.  This includes, searching, fetching, and playing music, setting up and accessing accounts and services, storing and editing playlists, maintaining the queue, everything in fact, except displaying the content and issuing play/stop/FF/REW commands.  

Don’t believe me?  Set up a queue of music.  Then exit the controller app.  Turn off your phone/tablet.  Toss it out the window or in the toilet.  Smash it with a hammer.  Does the music still play?  Of course it does, because as I said, the app is just a controller.

And when it comes to understanding how Sonos actually works, you do seem to have been born yesterday.

Senior Virtuoso
December 14, 2021

Its marketing and nothing more…. not enough CPU or memory?  S2 does not run on the speaker, only firmware. 

They could have wrote a new APP that’s backwards compatible, I wasn’t born yesterday.

 

The older speakers have limited amounts of memory. The phone running the app does not have the same limitation. Sure, the app could (theoretically) be written. The app controller could then send play instructions to the device. But what when your phone is running a different app? Music stops cos the app terminates? Run in background mode so data streaming risks becoming patchy? When someone else in the household fires up the app on their phone, how does their controller know what yours is doing? Does your stream get terminated?
 

I think it’s time to accept the S1/S2 situation once and for all.  

Lyricist II
December 14, 2021

You can all defend the choice of a Company to EOL its product WELL before its EOL.

Thats fine.

Still Doesn’t change the fact that i have to throw away 80% of my current system to keep adding to it!

You may think its time to accept it, but i do not…...would you like pay for S2 compliant devices for me?

ratty
December 14, 2021

This was covered in laborious detail nearly 2 years ago when the S1/S2 split was first announced.

(56 pages)

(171 pages)

To try and re-open those arguments IMHO verges on trolling.

 

Users are free to split their systems into S1 and S2 if they choose. There are support articles for all this. S1 continues to be maintained.

jgatie
December 14, 2021

You can all defend the choice of a Company to EOL its product WELL before its EOL.

Thats fine.

Still Doesn’t change the fact that i have to throw away 80% of my current system to keep adding to it!

You may think its time to accept it, but i do not…...would you like pay for S2 compliant devices for me?

 

So now stating objective facts about how the system actually works is “defending the choice”?  How about you disprove the facts we stated instead of hurling insults.  If you have objective proof that the app handles all functions, and the players are merely dumb boxes, I’d love to hear it.  Until then, keep your insults and accusations to yourself.  

Lyricist II
December 18, 2021

Soo.… none of you KB warrior’s want to buy me new S2 gear to replace my prematurely EOL S1 Gear..……...Crickets.  Thought so.  jgatie - 22,677 comments vs 1421 solved...Seems like the trolls are not me, but you!  Or maybe ratty, similar stats - 28757 comments vs 1155 Solved, that’s .03% Solved.

 Seems like you folk like to pick on the everybody who is not on UR page!

 

Its one thing to EOL a Product that’s actually EOL.  But the product still works with S1, so why not with S2 - One word   #$MONEY$

 

 

 

jgatie
December 18, 2021

Not able to refute the facts, yet still here blustering. There's only one keyboard warrior in this thread, and it ain't the guys with the large post count.