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Contributor I
December 23, 2017

Extended Stand-By for Sonos

  • December 23, 2017
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Hi,

I know energy is not a big topic in the US, because energy is cheap and wasted everywhere, but it is in Germany and other parts of the world. Avg spend for energy for two people in an appartment in Germany is usually anything bewteen 50 and 100 Eur/Month (energy prices are 0.25-0,30cents (EUR) per kw/h.

I my setup (Playbar, 3x Play1, 2x Play3 and one Bridge) is roughly around 40kw/h on stand-by. So im spending around 90 EUR per year just for sonos stand-by. When I see that Amazon Echo dots uses 1.5W and play1 4W it feels like it could be less. Echo Dot is also always on, its always connected to wifi and keeps listening and waiting 24H/day.

Some people might say "ok....Sonos is supposed to be like that..live with it..it has to be on and available all the time". I know many people using Sonos, most of them unplug them or use switches at the power plug. Why? Because all rooms are not always needed. I use one e.g. in sleeping room (because my GF lives abroad) and another one in bathroom (usually only use it when taking a bath)....Lets summarize....it makes sense to discuss about energy and some tweaks or updates on the software.

What could you do?
- Offer extended stand-by as an option...Keep wifi on, switch off other components by software so that energy level is around anything up to 2W...I still dont understand why stand-by of playbar is much more than play1 🙂 Then maybe it takes 20 sec for the speaker to be fully available...
- Offer some kind of check if even an app is connected. If there is no sonos app connected (because noone is home), just keep one device active and switch off the other ones. This would be really what we call "smart home". Offer in the app which device should be the one be available all the time.

I am sure something is possible 🙂 The costs for stand-by are currently my main reason not to buy 2 or 3 more play1....just saying 🙂
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17 replies

passopp
March 19, 2019
Yeah well, with the SMB issue still not being resolved I just didn't want to include any of the even more exotic standards in my argument.;)
moskito99Author
Contributor I
March 19, 2019
Denon e.g. has almost the same standby consumption for different devices, no matter how powerful/different hardware they are...And it can be automatically switched to deep standby with 0.1W until one of the buttons is pressed on the devices. Its just odd that sonos customers keep using switches or unplugging to save energy....

I would love to have some kind of deep standby setting in the app, that certain devices switch off from standby to deep standby after a certain time (e.g. 30 min, 0.1W) and they simply can be switched back on by pressing one of the buttons (this is how Denon is doing good).

HEOS Standby InstantOn
HEOS 1: 4.5 Watt
HEOS 3: 4 Watt
HEOS 5: 4 Watt
HEOS 7: 4 - 4,5 Watt
HEOS HOME CINEMA: 5 Watt
HEOS Bar: 5 Watt
HEOS AVR: 5 Watt
HEOS AMP: 4,5 Watt
HEOS Link: 4 Watt
HEOS Subwoofer: 4,5 Watt
jgatie
March 19, 2019
Denon e.g. has almost the same standby consumption for different devices, no matter how powerful/different hardware they are...And it can be automatically switched to deep standby with 0.1W until one of the buttons is pressed on the devices. Its just odd that sonos customers keep using switches or unplugging to save energy....

I would love to have some kind of deep standby setting in the app, that certain devices switch off from standby to deep standby after a certain time (e.g. 30 min, 0.1W) and they simply can be switched back on by pressing one of the buttons (this is how Denon is doing good).

HEOS Standby InstantOn
HEOS 1: 4.5 Watt
HEOS 3: 4 Watt
HEOS 5: 4 Watt
HEOS 7: 4 - 4,5 Watt
HEOS HOME CINEMA: 5 Watt
HEOS Bar: 5 Watt
HEOS AVR: 5 Watt
HEOS AMP: 4,5 Watt
HEOS Link: 4 Watt
HEOS Subwoofer: 4,5 Watt


I'm confused. How is Denon "doing good" when all of their units consume as much or more than every new generation Sonos device (with the exception of the Beam, which consumes "up to" 0.5 W more)?

Sonos Product 230V (EU)
Play:1 3.8 Watts
One (Microphone on) up to 4.1 Watts
PLAY:5 (gen2) 2.2 Watts
Beam (Microphone on) up to 5.5 Watts
Playbase 3.0 Watts

All other Sonos devices were designed long before the Denon HEOS.
pwt
Virtuoso
March 19, 2019
While I'm certainly supportive of keeping the power envelope for Sonos devices as low as possible, folks worrying about this level of energy usage should make sure they NEVER travel anywhere unless it's on foot or by bicycle. All forms of motorised transport make this level of energy usage utterly inconsequential by comparison. Even a Tesla has a ~85KWh battery pack.
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moskito99Author
Contributor I
March 19, 2019
Argument was basically about the playbar and also your argument that of course more powerful devices need more power in standby. But I have to admit after checking google, that standby of Playbar is lower than I previously thought (its only around 6W, my bad).

My main question/request was always about some kind of deep standby, as Denon is e.g. offering it. There are buttons on the Sonos, so it should be at least worth to discuss to add some deep standby (e.g. after some time which can be set up in the app) and/or switch off/on by pressing buttons.

Maybe it is at the end about different parts of the world. I e.g. pay 600 EUR per year (house hold 2 people) for energy so Sonos standby costs are 1/6 of my costs. As I said, in the European Sonos communities this topic is much bigger...

But I do understand that Sonos got better with new products, which of course does not help those people who have already invested 2500EUR in Sonos speakers 🙂
Smilja
March 19, 2019
[...] But I do understand that Sonos got better with new products, which of course does not help those people who have already invested 2500EUR in Sonos speakers :-)
Yawn... I have already invested about € 6000,-- in Sonos speakers, so what? Dump your old Sonos gear on ebay and swap them for DeepStandby HEOS Products.
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jgatie
March 19, 2019

Yawn... I have already invested about € 6000,-- in Sonos speakers, so what? Dump your old Sonos gear on ebay and swap them for DeepStandby HEOS Products.


Correction, that's "DeepStandby" HEOS Products that on average consume more power than "NonDeepStandby" Sonos products.