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Asgorath
Chromatic Producer I
October 11, 2020

Any plans to support 96000Hz flac?

  • October 11, 2020
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I know Sonos does not currently support high quality Flacs. With S2 being a thing for a while now I am curious if there are any plans to start supporting higher quality Flac files? I guess this is mostly a question to Sonos staff, and I know it has been asked before. Just curious if anything has changed since then.

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Enthusiast II
October 12, 2020

I’m not that clueless,but apparently some people are…..I do remember you as quite the contrarian.I had once mentioned that I’d not respond to your s***** and in this case rather ignorant response,but I’ve made an exception here….You definitely don’t know what you are talking about and I’m pretty much done with you.

Sorry to the author of this thread….Let’s hope Sonos gives many of us music lovers the ability to play High Res….Amazon Music,as well as Spotify and others, certainly would not offer this if it was not viable.

I have heard the difference and it is a worthy addition.

 

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October 12, 2020

Right. Amazon HD is a fast one pulled by Amazon in calling their CD format service by that name. But hey, if calling it HD music makes it sound better than CD quality that Sonos does support, why not?:joy:

Especially if it finds buyers.

 

October 12, 2020

More on Amazon HD:

 How Amazon calls CD resolution as HD is a mystery, and appears to be something that they have done unilaterally in an attempt to redefine HD to being what they are doing. I have no idea if this will succeed.

Sonos is a beneficiary of this stunt, being also labeled HD capable overnight with nothing have changed from what they have been capable of since their inception.

Conclusion? Sonos does HD already - hooray and thanks to this Amazon stunt!!

As to Spotify - I have a premium subscription and it is set to highest quality - which I believe is not even CD resolution, but 320 Kbps. But the same songs sound identical to those played on my kit from my NAS from losslessly ripped CDs. As do 256 Kbps AAC streams from Apple Music.

Yes, I know...I have got lousy hearing and/or kit that isn't good enough. 

 

ratty
October 12, 2020

Spotify streams at Ogg Vorbis 320kbps, which will probably sound as close to lossless as any lossy online stream can.

As for the original question, I’d be amazed if Sonos started to handle sampling rates over 48kHz system-wide. Bandwidth demands at 96kHz would instantly double, or triple if the 16->24bit transition is factored in. SonosNet could struggle with a group of any size, and all for what?

Ultrasonics which have been demonstrated to be inaudible, are possibly damaging to the audible band owing to intermodulation products and, since to my knowledge none of the Sonos speakers feature a supertweeter, would be filtered out therein anyway.

All that said, the marketing pressure for a scientifically senseless ‘tick-box’ exercise continues to grow, so I’d not be surprised if one day Sonos claims that sampling rates over 48kHz can be handled by, say, Port through its digital out, possibly requiring either a 5GHz WiFi or a wired network connection.

 

October 12, 2020

Yes, I know...I have got lousy hearing and/or kit that isn't good enough. 

Same must apply here… I tested single blind flac v various mp3 qualities. At 320Kbps I couldn’t tell the difference between MP3 and FLAC. This was using both a trad AV setup and Sonos kit.

October 12, 2020

SonosNet could struggle with a group of any size, and all for what?

 

 

This is a big thing, that the Hi Res Kool Aid drinkers don't seem to get. 

The Sonos USP is wireless grouped play in perfect sync, and if this gets affected what’s the point? Nothing kills sound quality faster than distractions of grouped speakers dropping on/off or music play stuttering. Even those rare humans with the golden ears to pick the difference between 320 and CD lossless will any day prefer stable 320 to a stuttering lossless experience.

Hi Res will, I believe, demand wiring all grouped players to the core network if grouped Hi Res streams far in excess of lossless CD is to play properly, and how many will be ok with that for the imagined benefits?