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Trending Lyricist I
Apr 27, 2024 2:44 AM UTC

Sonance architectural

Just hooked up a Sonos Amp with a couple Sonance architectural ceiling speakers. Sounds like absolute garbage. I had an am/fm alarm clock back in the 80’s that sounded better. What gives?

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CHIZZLEAuthor
Trending Lyricist I
Apr 27, 2024 3:51 AM UTC

Where exactly did you install the speakers? How far apart are they?

Well, I haven’t mounted them in the ceiling yet. They’re just sitting on my kitchen counter, a couple feet apart. I did set them in the cardboard inserts and faced them towards me. Figured that would be a decent test since my attic isn’t really an “enclosure”.

The speakers will sound much different after you install them.

Boy I really hope so. Been comparing them to a couple of old Play 1’s and there’s no comparison.

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buzz
Grand Maestro
Apr 27, 2024 4:32 AM UTC

This is the way that the physics of loudspeakers works. You could read up on loudspeaker enclosure design.

The PLAY:1 woofers have a proper enclosure in that little tower.

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106rallye
Apr 27, 2024 6:59 AM UTC

Sorry, but do you always test drive a car in the showroom?

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CHIZZLEAuthor
Trending Lyricist I
Apr 27, 2024 1:34 PM UTC

This is the way that the physics of loudspeakers works. You could read up on loudspeaker enclosure design.

The PLAY:1 woofers have a proper enclosure in that little tower.

These won't have a box enclosure behind them. They’ll just be mounted in the ceiling drywall so figured I could give them a decent bench test. Are you saying that being mounted on the drywall alone will make a huge difference?

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CHIZZLEAuthor
Trending Lyricist I
Apr 27, 2024 1:54 PM UTC

Sorry, but do you always test drive a car in the showroom?

Unfortunately I don’t have a road to drive on. House is being built right now and there’s no drywall. Lol.

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buzz
Grand Maestro
Apr 27, 2024 2:54 PM UTC

The goal is to prevent the two pressure waves from canceling each other. A hole in the wall can accomplish this. I suggest that you read some speaker enclosure design articles.

Packing some insulation above the speakers as you mount them will improve performance. Use a plastic film barrier between the insulation and speakers in order to prevent insulation fibers from contacting the speaker cone.

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Stanley_4
Grand Maestro
Apr 27, 2024 6:22 PM UTC

Trying them on the counter is as said iffy but if you cut an opening in a cardboard box, then stuff a blanket in behind them you will be closer to what they will sound like mounted.

A speaker basket will help the sound when mounted and reduce bleed-through to anything upstairs. Also gives you a better preview without cutting holes first.

First hit, many other options, likely better for you too.

https://www.amazon.com/Bogen-BG-RE84-Recessed-Ceiling-Enclosure/dp/B00FMH2GZS/ref=sr_1_3?

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CHIZZLEAuthor
Trending Lyricist I
Apr 28, 2024 2:52 PM UTC

Trying them on the counter is as said iffy but if you cut an opening in a cardboard box, then stuff a blanket in behind them you will be closer to what they will sound like mounted.

A speaker basket will help the sound when mounted and reduce bleed-through to anything upstairs. Also gives you a better preview without cutting holes first.

First hit, many other options, likely better for you too.

https://www.amazon.com/Bogen-BG-RE84-Recessed-Ceiling-Enclosure/dp/B00FMH2GZS/ref=sr_1_3?

Thank you. The thing with these Sonos Sonance ceiling speakers is that they have drywall “ears” so they’re setup to mount directly to drywall. That tells me they should work well without an enclosure behind them. That’s why I was bench testing them. With that said, I have some Rockwool sound proofing batts that’ll I think I’ll staple into the rafters behind where I’ll put these. Hopefully that helps.

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Airgetlam
Apr 29, 2024 12:20 AM UTC

On the contrary, the speakers may  be designed to use both what is behind the drywall, as well as the resonance of the drywall to help fill out the sound. I’ve never seen drywall that doesn’t have something behind it, creating a ‘pocket’ and forcing the sound in a direction. 

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Bruce
CHIZZLEAuthor
Trending Lyricist I
Apr 29, 2024 12:52 AM UTC

On the contrary, the speakers may  be designed to use both what is behind the drywall, as well as the resonance of the drywall to help fill out the sound. I’ve never seen drywall that doesn’t have something behind it, creating a ‘pocket’ and forcing the sound in a direction. 

 

This house has a 5:12 pitch. Single story. Roof deck will be spray foamed so no blown in insulation above ceiling. So there’s a lot of space above the ceiling. Here’s a pic. You can kind of see the attic space I’ll be dealing with. 

 

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