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Contributor I
March 4, 2021

Netgear ORBI RBR/RBS 850 and Sonos conflict / solution(?)

  • March 4, 2021
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I’m posting here because I’ve seen a variety of Sonos/Orbi conflicts and issues being posted. I had one of my own that was driving me nuts and, NO THANKS to Netgear tech support, I solved it. Here’s hoping my maddening experience helps someone else not lose days off their lives. I’m in a 2300 square foot, single level home.

My Sonos setup: Sonos Arc home theater setup (sub with a pair of Ones as rears) in front living room. In back office (about 75 feet away) another pair of Ones that are stereo paired. I have a Boost in the living room wired into main router and a second Boost in the rear office wired into Orbi Satellite 2.

Orbi Setup - I have the AX6000 (RBR850 Router and two RBS850 Satellites). Router is setup in the living room with the Sonos home theater. Satellite 1 is 30 feet away, just off the kitchen and Satellite 2 is in the back office. 

The issue: Orbi AX6000 does its topography arrangements automatically. I learned (the hard way) that it cannot be manually adjusted. When they were daisy chained (Router>Sat1>Sat2) I got great coverage throughout the house, speeds topping 400MBPS. (I have Spectrum cable internet with 400 speed tier.) BUT, when the Orbi switched the topography to the “Star” formation (meaning Sat 1 and Sat 2 are connecting individually to the router in a triangle) I got super slow speeds on Sat 2 (in the single digits). 

I spoke to both Sonos and Netgear tech support about this. I was wiring both the Boost AND my office Ones to Sat 2, which Sonos tech support should work. Additionally, I had my main DirecTV box (not the Genies) and my iMac wired into Sat 2.

After much troubleshooting and various configurations I discovered the problem. By wiring the Sonos Ones into Sat 2 along with the Boost (and having a Boost wired into the main router in the living room) the Orbi was getting confused. It was registering Sat 2 as being hard-wired into the main Orbi router, and was thus bypassing the Daisy Chain configuration. Once I made the Sonos Ones in the rear office wireless again, and just had the Boost wired into Sat 2, the Daisy Chain configuration returned, and so did my speeds. Everything has been working great since that adjustment.

Has anyone else run into this kind of situation? I’m really hoping I’ve diagnosed and solved the issue. As I said, Netgear was truly the worst. I received incorrect info from tech support on more than one occasion, plus they hung up on me three times and didn’t call back. 

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk!

-Ian

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19 replies

Trending Lyricist I
March 31, 2021

Thanks. I could also reset the 4 speakers I have wired to the satellites to wireless only as I should have plenty of wireless throughput with the 850 system. Other things my 850 doesn’t “mesh” with include my outdoor Orbi and my Fios media server. I’ve seen some talk on the Orbi forums that they are planning to address those, was hoping that they could do the same for Sonos.

ratty
March 31, 2021

I could also reset the 4 speakers I have wired to the satellites to wireless only

Not sure what you mean by this. If you’re suggesting unwiring them all then, assuming there’s a wired Sonos component somewhere, the system should run on SonosNet independent of the Orbis. If you mean you’d unwire every Sonos node then it would have to run in WiFi (‘wireless’) mode. 

Trending Lyricist I
March 31, 2021

I’m not entirely sure how the system is set up as it has evolved over time as I added speakers. I have a single boost wired directly to the cable modem. But I also have my primary WiFi network (new Orbi) connected to the system. I have an amp, a sound bar, a connect and another speaker attached to the Orbi LAN (old Orbi for the moment) in the rooms where the three satellites are. 

ratty
March 31, 2021

I’m not entirely sure how the system is set up as it has evolved over time as I added speakers. I have a single boost wired directly to the cable modem. But I also have my primary WiFi network (new Orbi) connected to the system. I have an amp, a sound bar, a connect and another speaker attached to the Orbi LAN (old Orbi for the moment) in the rooms where the three satellites are. 

Wired to the cable modem? I trust not. The Boost would be exposed to the internet. Hopefully it’s a modem/router.

As far as I can make out you have two Orbi meshes? You’d better describe how everything is configured: whether either/both Orbi meshes are in bridge mode, where the Sonos devices are wired, etc.

Trending Lyricist I
March 31, 2021

Fios modem/router - wireless off - connected to: Sonos Boost, Orbi RBR40, Orbi RBR850

Orbi RBR40 (AP Mode) - 4 satellites, LAN connected Sonos devices (4) mentioned previously

Orbi RBR850 (AP Mode) - 3 satellites, LAN connected other devices NO Sonos.

I haven’t taken down the RBR40 yet because of Sonos issue and non-compatibility with RBS50Y.

Lyricist II
March 31, 2021

I presume given that this system has evolved over time you have both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz variant speakers.   Personally I would switch them all to wireless and utilize the boost fully.   Ensure that you are running your wireless network on channels 1,6 or 11 so as to not interfere with SonosNet.   
 

 

Lyricist II
March 31, 2021

I should add that Sonos support have been quite helpful to my issue.   Ill be receiving a boost shortly that should fix my issue,  otherwise ill be back on the phone.

ratty
April 1, 2021

Does the Sonos system not work if the Ethernet-connected devices are unwired from their neighbouring Orbi satellites, leaving just the Boost wired? I’m unsure which band the Orbis would use for wireless backhaul, but if it’s 5GHz the SonosNet range to the same location could be better.

If SonosNet struggles, check for clashes in the 2.4GHz band with the channels used by the various Orbis. Separate them from SonosNet by at least 5 channels, and use only 20MHz width.

 

You can if you wish screenshot the network matrix at http://x.x.x.x:1400/support/review and post it. x.x.x.x is the IP of a player, not the Boost.

 

Trending Lyricist I
April 2, 2021

As suggested, I unplugged all the Sonos devices from the Orbi satellites but left the Boost plugged in to the Fios router. It took a few extra seconds for the Sonos network to reorganize itself when I put it in Everywhere mode, but thereafter all speakers were available and seemed responsive. Think I’ll avoid the Orbi/wired hassle and just leave it this way (🤞). Thanks all.