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AjTrek1
October 18, 2023

If You Are Serious About Listening To Vinyl

  • October 18, 2023
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Disclaimer: This piece will mention and/or link to equipment sellers and/or manufacturers outside of Sonos. I am not an agent for those entities, nor do I own stock. Mention of them was necessary to provide a comprehensive piece.

If you are serious about listening to your vinyl collection here are tips on how to achieve the best reproduction possible with Sonos (IMO). You may be surprised to learn that Sonos only plays a minor role in this post with two maybe three components:

  • Pro-Ject Carbon Debut Turntable Sonos Edition
  • Sonos Amp
  • Sonos Sub

Let’s start with the Pro-Ject Carbon Debut Turntable Sonos Edition. This is the 3rd possible component from Sonos which offers a great starting point for a turntable. You may own (or are considering buying)  a different turntable brand. BTW…It’s the one used in my setup. Features that make it a great choice are:

  • Reasonable price @ $749
  • 2M Ortofon Red Cartridge **
  • Electronic Speed Control for 33 and 45/78 records (eliminates raising platter to manually adjust the belt)
  • Carbon Fiber Tone Arm
  • Removable/Replaceable Dust Cover (I replaced mine due to a stupid/avoidable accident)🙃
  • Acryl iT Platter_No need for any type of mat including the one provided by Sonos ($150 Value See it here)
  • Built-in Pre-Amp **
  • Pro-Ject Entry Level Phono Cables **

** Recommended Upgrades/Purchases

  • Ortofon 2M Blue Styli @ $159 (Click here to learn why/Play Video) 
  • Pro-Ject Debut Alu Sub Platter  @ $179 (Click here to learn why)
  • Cambridge Duo Pre-Amp @ $349 or Pre-Amp of your choice (Click here to learn why use an outboard pre-amp/play video)
  • Project Ground iT E Isolation Turntable Isolation Platform @ $199 (Click here to learn why/play video)
  • Pro-Ject Clamp It_Holds the record to the surface of the platter @ $99 (Click here to learn why/Play video)
  • Phono Cables (More on this later)

Next on the list is the Sonos Amp. You’re probably wondering why a Sonos Amp when you can connect the turntable directly to any Sonos speaker with a line-in (Five, Era 300, Era 100, Move 2). If you recall I started this piece with words “If you are serious about listening to your vinyl collection”. If you are..you’ll want to hear every nuisance and warmth of your vinyl collection that can (IMO) only be achieved via Analog reproduction. Thus enter the Sonos Amp to power a good set of wired speakers.

In my case a chose the Definitive Technology (Def Tech) Demand Series D7 bookshelf speakers. It’s been four (4) years ago that I purchased the D7’s which sold for $500 a pair. Not overly expensive. Today they can be had for $200 as Def Tech has discontinued the series. However, I’ve used Def Tech speakers for years including full home theater setup with center, floor standing L/R speakers and surrounds. Click here for specs on the D7’s.

The Sonos Sub (Full Size) needs no explaining as it’s the best sub to use with the Sonos Amp for compatibility/continuity. Also, the Sonos Sub allowed me to set the exact crossover point (80 Hz) as recommended by Def Tech for the D7’s.

Now that I’ve explained my hardware I want to share the following statement with you….

“Sound reproduction is only as good as the weakest link will allow”.   

So, since I think I’ve paired the best hardware combination what’s left but the connection points which are the Cables employed. For quality analog reproduction cables are; if not the most, significant piece of the equation. Using cheap cables can destroy an otherwise great analog turntable setup. Cables (or connectors) you should be concerned with are:

  • Phono Cables_The connection between the turntable and the pre-amp
  • Interconnects_The connection between the Pre-Amp to the Sonos Amp
  • Speaker Cable_The connection between the Sonos Amp and speakers

Disclaimer_Pro-Ject offers its own line of premium cables for the above. Cost-wise they are in-line with the entry level cables for the provider I chose.

Yes, the above represent distinct and different properties for each connection type. I use custom cables by Morrow Audio. I’ve tried the OTC cables by Audio Quest and still found them lacking compared to my cables by Morrow Audio.

Morrow Audio offers different levels for each type of cable depending upon how much you want to spend. They even offer a TradeUp60 program that allows you to upgrade your cables overtime with 60% off the next level cable(s). 

All of my cables are Level 4 which Morrow Audio considers to be the sweet spot in their line. I used the TradeUp60 program overtime to get where I want to be in terms of cable connections. You should NOT try to buy the most expensive cables. I will not be upgrading my cables any further. There is a point of diminishing returns as I don’t believe I can get any more sonic improvements out of my system.

If you are interested, you can visit the Morrow Audio site to view the entry level and upgrades for each cable/connection type mentioned.

One last suggestion...If you are buying new or replacing a record in your collection try to get a pressing in 180 gram weight. They make the best reproduction. 

In conclusion, if you want the best analog reproduction of your vinyl collection then consider the path I have chosen. Try to stay as close to an analog reproduction as possible. If not…then using Sonos line-in products is still a great option. I recommend against using a Sonos Port to stream to a dedicated Sonos speaker. A direct connection for your turntable is always the best option.

Edit: In case you’re wondering...I’m a Sonos addict with 32 Sonos units 😊

 

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26 replies

melvimbe
October 19, 2023

Some albums have made sure to make it a “journey” through albums, and that is something I feel the resurrection of Vinly might help bring back.

 

Yes, that’s a good point.  I do miss ‘albums’ whether vinyl, cassette, or CD, that pushed me to listen to what the artist created beyond just the tracks that were mass marketed. Today, it seems like you really only hear the stuff that’s highly promoted.  

In some ways, I have to say Sonos radio helps to somewhat recreate that in that I can pick a genre station and am likely to hear a track that I have not heard of before, and probably would not have found on my own.  Pandora is pretty good for that too.  Amazon, on the other hand, feels like it just gives me “top 40” tracks.

Danny
buzz
Grand Maestro
October 19, 2023

Maybe the best of both worlds could be implemented by providing traditional looking (and sized) album sleeves, but with an added barcode or QR code that would link to an album database providing an image for display, lyrics, and trivia. This would be a melding of old and new mindsets. Of course there would need to be a phone/pad sized version to attract the youngest listeners.

Ken_Griffiths
October 19, 2023

So attached is my old B&O TT with tangential arm - I think the last time I used it was well over 10 years ago. My ‘well worn’ 33s/45s are tightly stored in cases/boxes in the loft. It’s just not for me these days as I prefer the ease and sound quality of digital streaming, but maybe the grand-children will get some pleasure from these things when they’re a bit older …or maybe their children.

I have a working B&O Beocenter 9000 that goes with this too, two Beovox wall panel speakers and a Sub. I reckon they’re at least 30 years old, or more. I have boxes of cassette tapes and CD’s too - all just kept for nostalgia (I guess) and gathering dust - maybe one day they will be worth something - at which point I’m guessing the children/grandchildren ‘might’ want to take them off my hands.

October 20, 2023

oSolid post @AjTrek1!

Seriously?! Even given the claims about how the Sonos amp line in serves vinyl better than that on a Sonos Five? Or all the largely discredited claims for cables?

Some years ago, there was a BBC survey on the vinyl resurgence that uncovered that the large majority of people buying new LPs do not have or even intend to have a player; most have bought it as wall art or for other ways to display the album art.

About the only thing about vinyl being played now is the scope it gives for tinkering to create the illusion that listening to music is an active and not a passive effort: audio kits are appliances and not instruments such a things like guitars, the playing of which is an active effort the entire time music is to be heard from it. Vinyl is like valve amps, where there is also the same tinkering around, changing the valves in a quest for better sound. That even involves things like hunting down Soviet inventory of valves because the original ones made in the West in the 1930s that the Soviets copied, are not to be had.

After some time, most people get bored with all this tinkering once they realise that it does nothing more for them than letting them tinker. And once there is an option to be had to allow them to quit tinkering.

All good fun, but not to be confused with improving on the SQ what even Spotify/others offer today, streamed to good kit. Kit that now costs a fraction of what vinyl and other legacy type HiFi kit used to cost.

The car analogy is also common, but misplaced. Driving a car is an active effort, interfacing all the time with the external environment. Although most cars are like appliances these days, the ones that are not allow them to be used as more than that in an active way. And even there, my automatic car that has all the manual features that my stick shift has, except the clutch pedal, allows for a full replication of the stick shift - an option that I rarely use. Because if I shift to sports mode in the dual clutch automatic it offers almost all that the fully manual option offers. But none these options would make sense if driving the car was to be a passive thing like even listening to vinyl is, once that needle is lowered to an ever deteriorating groove.

On the car thing here is a fun fact - all cars have their engine note suppressed to comply with noise regulations. But some offer that sound piped in to the speakers inside, to create that illusion of the old engine note just for those inside the car. The BMW Mini is one example.

October 20, 2023

at which point I’m guessing the children/grandchildren ‘might’ want to take them off my hands.

One lives in hope. I have boxes of CDs in the lofts. I think I will now have to pay for those to be cleared. My children never showed any interest, and I cannot see my now ten year old granddaughter do anything different. If it fits the decor, your kit may get picked up like the old Victrola/HMV kind of things are, for mounting for show in rooms where they fit the aesthetics of the room.

Ken_Griffiths
October 20, 2023

at which point I’m guessing the children/grandchildren ‘might’ want to take them off my hands.

One lives in hope. I have boxes of CDs in the lofts. I think I will now have to pay for those to be cleared. My children never showed any interest, and I cannot see my now ten year old granddaughter do anything different. If it fits the decor, your kit may get picked up like the old Victrola/HMV kind of things are, for mounting for show in rooms where they fit the aesthetics of the room.

I was thinking more along the lines they ‘might’ take ‘em to sell them on eBay, or similar auction site in a couple of decades time - I’ve seen some ‘run of the mill’ albums I have, like Pink Floyd ‘Relics’, (as an example) fetch £100+ and I have some ‘Yes’ limited-edition albums printed in blue vinyl, which might fetch a little more. I also have quite a rare album from Frank Zappa/Mothers of Invention from the early 70’s in one of the boxes and some singles/45s from the 1960’s. So collectively, they might (one day) help the grandchildren, or their children, to fill their piggy banks.

As you say though Kumar, at the moment very few are interested in such things - these ‘old things’ certainly no longer appeal to me, personally speaking. It’s just so much easier these days to stream higher quality audio.

Admittedly I do miss looking/flipping through records at record shops and the album covers/artwork etc. but I much prefer the convenience and quality of ‘the here and now’. 

October 20, 2023

 I’ve seen some ‘run of the mill’ albums I have, like Pink Floyd ‘Relics’, (as an example) fetch £100+ and I have some ‘Yes’ limited-edition albums printed in blue vinyl, which might fetch a little more. I also have quite a rare album from Frank Zappa/Mothers of Invention from the early 70’s in one of the boxes and some singles/45s from the 1960’s. So collectively, they might (one day) help the grandchildren, or their children, to fill their piggy banks.

 

You may be better served selling out that stuff now and keeping the money in a piggy bank account devolving on attaining a desired age milestone, because you know the value of what you have.

buzz
Grand Maestro
October 20, 2023

Physically, the records will outlast tapes and may outlast early CD’s. The initial 1980’s CD’s were estimated to have a 30 year lifespan. I have not bothered to verify this. Perhaps I should investigate this because I have some unplayed 1982 original issue CD’s packed away.

106rallye
October 20, 2023

This does trigger a trip down memory lane. Though I still buy 2-3 CD’s a year, I’m not playing my collection much anymore. I however only have one CD that is not playable anymore - Eric Clapton’s Just One Night double CD that lasted not even ten years.

I’ve kept my Marantz CD-player and use a Connect (gen 2) to play my CD’s. I still own a Philips turntable and some records, all bought before I bought my first CD-player, what must have been a Philips CD207:

 

Mike H
Retired Sonos Staff
October 20, 2023

Some albums have made sure to make it a “journey” through albums, and that is something I feel the resurrection of Vinly might help bring back.

 

Yes, that’s a good point.  I do miss ‘albums’ whether vinyl, cassette, or CD, that pushed me to listen to what the artist created beyond just the tracks that were mass marketed. Today, it seems like you really only hear the stuff that’s highly promoted.  

In some ways, I have to say Sonos radio helps to somewhat recreate that in that I can pick a genre station and am likely to hear a track that I have not heard of before, and probably would not have found on my own.  Pandora is pretty good for that too.  Amazon, on the other hand, feels like it just gives me “top 40” tracks.

Yup agreed. I have a lot of tracks I had never heard be that from listening to the currated playlists from artists or the genres.
That is also why I use the “this is” playlists on spotify a lot when I find a new artist I like. A lot of times their mass marketed songs are good but there are some golden nuggets even in their older more niche work.

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