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Contributor I
July 5, 2022

Frequent problems loading or playing songs from Spotify playlists using the Sonos app

  • July 5, 2022
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I have one Sonos device: a Sonos One SL.
I run the Sonos app on a Windows 10 PC.
I keep my Sonos app and firmware up to date (currently on version 14.10).
I bought and use my Sonos device to play songs from Spotify playlists.
(I can play songs from Spotify on my Sonos device by either using the Spotify app connect feature
or by using the Sonos app, but I prefer using the Sonos app because it allows you to select and play
songs from multiple playlists while the Spotify app only allows you to play from a single playlist.)

As long as I’ve had my Sonos device I’ve had intermittent problems when attempting to load songs from one or more Spotify playlists into my queue, or when playing songs from Spotify from my queue.
When attempting to load songs from Spotify playlists into my queue I get unable to load songs 1002 errors, and when attempting to play songs from my queue I get unable to play songs - Spotify connection lost errors. These problems are becoming more and more frequent, and lately it has become impossible to load the songs from all of my selected playlists into my queue. Sometimes I am unable to load songs from a single playlist.

I have noticed that dozens of people have reported this problem over the years but Sonos support has been unable to resolve it. I’ve also noticed that the Sonos Support people here generally blame the problem on the user’s wi-fi connection despite evidence indicating that the wi-fi connection has nothing to do with it. Using the same wi-fi connection, Spotify works fine when using other apps, and Sonos works fine when playing from other services. The problems only occur when playing from Spotify and using the Sonos app.

When I use the Spotify app connect feature (on my PC) to play music on my Sonos device, I have no problems.
When I use the Spotify app on my Samsung Smart TV, or the Spotify app on a Roku device to play from Spotify on another TV, I have no problems.
When I use the Sonos app to play Sonos Radio to my Sonos device, I have no problems.
But when I use the Sonos app to play songs from Spotify playlists on my Sonos device, I have frequent problems (even when the Sonos device is only a few feet away from my router).
And all of these use the same wi-fi connection.

This leads me to the conclusion that the problems have nothing to do with the wi-fi connection between the Sonos device and the router. Instead, I believe the problem has to do with the internet connection between the Sonos firmware and the Spotify servers.

I have a hypothesis that I believe explains what the problem really is. In a nutshell, I believe that the Sonos software (or firmware) was not designed to handle Spotify’s frequent slowness. When loading songs from Spotify playlists into the queue, Sonos has to request the list of songs for each playlist, and when it finishes playing a song from the queue, it has to request that Spotify provide the next song. Unfortunately, the Spotify servers are sometimes slow to respond, and Sonos, instead of waiting for Spotify to respond, times out, and skips to the next playlist (when loading songs into the queue) or the next song (when playing songs from the queue).

This hypothesis explains several things:
1. The problem is intermittent because Spotify’s slowness is intermittent.
2. The problem is becoming more frequent because Spotify’s servers are becoming slower.
3. The problem does not occur when using the Spotify app on the PC, the Smart TV, or the Roku device because those apps are waiting for Spotify to respond instead of timing out so quickly.

If my hypothesis is correct, the solution is to change the Sonos software/firmware to wait longer for Spotify to respond before timing out.

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18 replies

Ken_Griffiths
July 5, 2022

When using WiFi, what WiFi band, channel and channel-width are you using to connect your One SL speaker to your router and what router make/model is it?

Are there any features on the router like QoS/Airtime Fairness/Firewall/Parental Control/VPN etc. Have you perhaps tried using a different DNS server, if cinnections are timing-out?

Also have you tried the speaker wired direct to the router, just to see if the issues are resolved by doing that?

Last, but not least, who is your ISP provider and what is their download/upload speed limits that you are subscribed to? 

MSebring1Author
Contributor I
July 5, 2022

My router is a Netgear Nighthawk R7000.
My Sonos device is using the 2.4Ghz band which uses channel 06.
The router is set up to use the Google DNS server (8.8.8.8) and Dynamic Qos is enabled.
Cox Cable is my ISP. I’m not aware of any limits but my last speed test showed
a download speed of 324.15 Mbps and an upload speed of 10.54 Mbps.
I haven’t tried hardwiring my Sonos device to my router but I can.

But, if the problem had anything to do with my internet connection, my router, or my WiFi,
why would I only have problems when using the Sonos app to play from Spotify?
Why would Spotify work fine when using the Spotify app on my PC, my Smart TV, or my Roku?
Why would Spotify work fine on the Sonos device when I use the Spotify app instead of the Sonos app?
Why would the Sonos device work fine when I play from a service other than Spotify (Sonos Radio)?
In each case, my ISP provider, my router, and my Wifi are the same.

MSebring1Author
Contributor I
July 5, 2022

I just hardwired my Sonos device into my router. It made no difference.
I tried loading 188 playlists into the queue. I got “An error occurred while adding tracks to the queue 1002”. The songs from most of the playlists were added to the queue but some of the playlists were skipped.

I submitted the diagnostics: 979564211.

MSebring1Author
Contributor I
July 5, 2022

I just turned Qos off, rebooted my router, and reran the test (using WiFi but with the Sonos device a few feet from the router). I got the same error and like before, most of the playlists were added to the queue but some were skipped. (The playlists that were skipped were not the same.)

Diagnostics: 2024233555

Ken_Griffiths
July 5, 2022

Try the router here - see if there are features like ‘QoS’ or ‘Airtime Fairness’ and just disable those (if enabled) and see if it makes a difference. You can always restore them back.

I do also fully appreciate the things you have mentioned, but I was just thinking there are things you could still try with your setup to perhaps try to narrow things down a little to get closer to the root cause.

I mostly use Amazon Music & Deezer here, but do have the Spotify ‘Free’ version service setup and personally speaking whenever I do use it via the Sonos App, I don’t have any issues with Spotify at all.

So my own personal experience seems to be somewhat different to the one you describe. Hence the suggestions to maybe try a few things obvious and to see if it might resolve your issues.

MSebring1Author
Contributor I
July 5, 2022

I have disabled Qos, rebooted my router, and rerun my test more than once (with the Sonos device connected via Wifi). I still get “error occurred while adding tracks to the queue, 1002” each time but the playlists that are skipped vary from test to test.

At this moment I am still convinced that the root of the problem is Sonos’ inability to handle Spotify’s intermittent (but becoming more frequent) slowness, and that it could probably be resolved by Sonos increasing a timeout value so it would wait longer for Spotify to respond.

Contributor I
July 5, 2022

This issue drives me absolutely NUTS! It is not a router issue, because Sonos works just fine with all the other products (Youtube Music, Sonos Radio, etc.). If it is a Spotify issue, Sonos should have their tech team talk to Spotify’s tech team to ensure the integration is working. I cannot believe you’d sell a speaker at these prices if it can only play the selected music 80% of the time. 

Ken_Griffiths
July 5, 2022

Are there any example playlists I could maybe try them here, but as I say I only use the Spotify free version but will happily try them on my system.

I seem to think error 1002 is a network connection error where the speaker is having difficulty connecting to the source. Are they big playlists with say more than 1000 tracks?

MSebring1Author
Contributor I
July 5, 2022

I currently have 188 public playlists. The average number of songs per playlist is probably a little less than 100 songs (from 20 to around 300) so the total number of songs is around 18,000.
https://open.spotify.com/user/83mnlqxhxhdol6vqbsypr2j8w/playlists

 

I agree that error 1002 is a network connection error, but I believe it’s caused by the internet connection being lost as a result of a timeout when Sonos requests something from Spotify and Spotify doesn’t respond quickly enough. As it attempts to load the songs from all of the playlists I’ve selected into the queue, each time it finishes with a playlist it sends a request to Spotify to send a list of the songs in the next playlist. When Spotify is too slow responding, a timeout occurs and the internet connection to Spotify is lost, so it skips that playlist, starts up a new connection, and goes on to the next playlist, and when you’re all done you get the error 1002 message indicating that not all of the songs you requested were loaded into the queue. That’s why I end up with all of the songs from most of the playlists I selected in my queue, but some of the playlists are completely skipped, and the playlists that are skipped vary from one occurrence of the problem to the next.

This loading of all of the songs from all of my playlists has been working for me MOST of the time for a long time, but for the last few days I can’t even load a handful of playlists without getting the error. I suspect that’s because the Spotify servers are getting overloaded.

Ken_Griffiths
July 5, 2022

@MSebring1,

I’m not personally seeing any issues playing your Classical #1, #2 & #3 playlists through the Sonos App here, but like I mentioned I’m just using the Spotify ‘free’ version. Perhaps it’s a case Spotify have different local servers and yours is busier than the one I’m perhaps using?🤷‍♂️