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Avid Contributor III
Apr 18, 2021 7:23 PM UTC

Sonos Amp and real low-level support for subwoofer?

I really wish the Sonos Amp software would support true low-level output for subwoofer and not just LFE like today. I would like to use the crossover filter on my sub instead of the filter in the Amp. I’d like to send full range to my front speakers even with a sub connected, as my fronts can go a lot deeper than the 50 Hz which is the minimum crossover in the Amp settings. The filter in the Amp also color the sound pretty badly. I don’t know what kind processing it does, but the sound gets bright and muddy.

Since the Amp is a product not aimed at the most average consumer, but someone with at least slightly higher demand on sound quality, I really think the option to bypass the built-in filter of the Amp should  be enabled. You don’t need to be an audiophile to appreciate that.

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Apr 18, 2021 11:47 PM UTC

If your sub can take high level outputs from the amp speaker terminals, you can use these.

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bjornwAuthor
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Apr 19, 2021 5:51 AM UTC

If your sub can take high level outputs from the amp speaker terminals, you can use these.

That was my primary plan, and what the sub manufacturer (Rel) recommends, but i’m getting an annoying hum that I can’t get rid of. Grounding the sub to the amp got rid of the loud low frequency hum, but there’s still a more high pitched hum left, which I don’t get when I connect low level.

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Apr 19, 2021 7:17 AM UTC

I had a quick look at the linked thread that discusses the hum issue with REL/Sonos. It may give some useful suggestions, but not fully conclusive I suspect. Worth a look:

 

https://en.community.sonos.com/components-228996/sonos-amp-and-high-level-input-from-subwooder-6822917/index3.html

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Apr 19, 2021 7:18 AM UTC

From the link: try connecting the REL Sub to a power socket that does not have an earth jack.

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bjornwAuthor
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Apr 19, 2021 7:34 AM UTC

From the link: try connecting the REL Sub to a power socket that does not have an earth jack.

Yup, I’ve tried both grounded- and non-grounded power outlets. I also read the entire thread you linked to and I have spoken to Rel support and my grounding should be correctly set up. I even tried Rel’s wireless module that is also connected via high level. Then ground is not applicable since there’s no galvanic connection between Amp and sub, but the high pitched hum is still there.

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Apr 19, 2021 9:40 AM UTC

I don’t see Sonos taking time to implement a bypassable filter for the sub out. So if the hum does not go, and you must have a Sub, another amp that does not cause hum may be the only option. If you still want a Sonos front end, adding a Port to such an amp would be the way to go then.

Or, try a sub from some other make than REL.

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bjornwAuthor
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Apr 19, 2021 9:52 AM UTC

I don’t see Sonos taking time to implement a bypassable filter for the sub out. So if the hum does not go, and you must have a Sub, another amp that does not cause hum may be the only option. If you still want a Sonos front end, adding a Port to such an amp would be the way to go then.

Or, try a sub from some other make than REL.

Yes, I’m considering both options. I chose the Sonos Amp over a Port + traditional amp for the small footprint and ease of use (this is my living room/family stereo setup), but there’s obviously some trade-offs. I might try another sub brand, like an SVS, to see if it works better, it’s just and that I’m using this 100% for music and the Rel integrates fantastically with my main speakers. But sometimes you just can’t get it all. :)

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Apr 19, 2021 10:00 AM UTC

In your place I would even reconsider the presence of the Sub itself, if the main speakers go down as low as you say they do. But if you must have one, integration is all important where music is concerned, so another amp of small footprint? And why must you have Sonos at all, unless you want to integrate with other rooms?

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bjornwAuthor
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Apr 19, 2021 10:40 AM UTC

I have small bookshelf speakers (Guru Junior) that can go very low for its size (34 Hz at -6 db). But I would still like a bit of more bottom in the low end. And yes, my living room is part of a multi room setup.

I can of course live without the sub, it just sounds fuller and better with it. Not sure it’s worth the cost of the sub itself AND a new amplifier though. Will need to think about it for a while.

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Apr 19, 2021 11:06 AM UTC

I have small bookshelf speakers (Guru Junior) that can go very low for its size (34 Hz at -6 db). But I would still like a bit of more bottom in the low end. And yes, my living room is part of a multi room setup.

 

That actually isn't very low...more relevant is the -3dB number which may well be in the region of 50Hz. I assume you have tried using the Sonos amp Sub out into the low level input on the REL, with the crossover on the amp set to 50Hz. What do you find lacking in that configuration?

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