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  • June 5, 2024
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Opened app this morning and cannot do anything until I accept new terms of use. They don’t bother to summarize what has changed and I cannot find the previous one of course.

 

don’t usually read these but such is my level of trust now I read it all. Mostly looked ok but this clause seems to shut the door to any complaints about any changes they make. This is appalling. Does anyone know if this clause is new?

  1. Software Updates. Sonos shall have no obligation to provide any updates or upgrades to any aspect of the Product(s) or Services. Sonos, at its discretion, may make available future Product Software Updates. In the event that Sonos does provide such update or upgrade, such updates or upgrades and any related documentation shall be deemed the Product(s). The Product Software Updates, if any, may not necessarily include all existing software features or new features that Sonos releases for newer or other models of Product(s). The terms of this Agreement will govern any Product Software Updates provided by Sonos, unless such Product Software Update is accompanied by a separate agreement, in which case You agree that the terms of that agreement will govern. For more information about Product Security and Software Updates, please see our Platform Security Page.

There’s no decline option so I’ll be locked out of the app until I submit to them. How many more insults do they want their customers to accept?

 

 

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Best answer by edmountain

First of all, similar clauses about software updates have been in the Terms of Use since at least 2018. Archived versions of the Terms of Use are available on the Sonos website for those interested.

Secondly, I don’t see what the problem is. You either agree to the Terms of Use and use the product, or you disagree and do not use it. Can’t get much simpler than that.

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Senior Virtuoso
June 5, 2024

I think you’ll find there are similar clauses in pretty much all legal agreements. Check your broadband supplier’s T’s and C’s and there’s probably something excusing them for not providing internet access. Check your Microsoft licence and see what they can opt out of. 
As you say, many of us are more cautious at the moment, but at the end of the day you sign up to it or you don’t use the product. 

Contributor I
June 5, 2024

same for me, I didn't ask for anything, the update was done automatically, even if it was strongly desired in view of all the shortcomings !!!!!

I find certain terms and conditions shocking, like those mentioned above, or even a ban on using products under 16 years of age without parental or guardian consent ....

To my recollection, I have never had to accept such conditions to use SONOS products.

If we don't want to accept, we can no longer use our products, will SONOS reimburse us for them then? These clauses are new and were not present at the time of purchase and god knows how expensive they are!!!

Prodigy III
June 5, 2024

These clauses are new and were not present at the time of purchase and god knows how expensive they are!!!

You’ve actually no idea what the Ts & Cs said previously. And you will have accepted them. I would bet my house on this clause being unchanged - it’s just been brought into focus by the recent app furore. 

jgatie
June 5, 2024

same for me, I didn't ask for anything, the update was done automatically, even if it was strongly desired in view of all the shortcomings !!!!!

I find certain terms and conditions shocking, like those mentioned above, or even a ban on using products under 16 years of age without parental or guardian consent ....

To my recollection, I have never had to accept such conditions to use SONOS products.

If we don't want to accept, we can no longer use our products, will SONOS reimburse us for them then? These clauses are new and were not present at the time of purchase and god knows how expensive they are!!!

 

I assure you that you had to agree to the terms of use (aka the EULA) when you first installed Sonos.  It’s standard for almost all software.  The part about age limits has been there as long as I remember, and I go back to 2008.  As to getting reimbursed, not a chance.  You don’t own the software, you license it, and it’s pretty standard for the EULA to change (and those changes are protected by the language therein).  There are exceptions, like if Sonos suddenly changed their privacy policy to sell your data when they previously promised not to, but I see no evidence of that. 

Contributor I
June 5, 2024

I admit I don't remember accepting all this.
As the topic creator says, why not highlight the changes? We are forced to accept new conditions ??? which ??? if we don't accept, we are blocked and we don't know how to do anything anymore !!! Would that please you ?

 

In short, it's been a month since for some people their installation became unusable... a month!!! ... and, in fact, these new conditions give the impression of shielding themselves against any recourse against their incompetence.

Prodigy III
June 5, 2024

I’m more than happy to accept their generic terms if it means I can play music on the speakers.

You either accept them or you find an alternative audio system. You don’t have any choice. Sonos is in charge of their software and hardware, not us.

There might be additions to give extra protections if they make future errors, but given no-one is taking any legal action against them anyway, I suspect it simply tightens language rather than getting you to hand over your first born child.

Contributor I
June 5, 2024

I’m more than happy to accept their generic terms if it means I can play music on the speakers.

You either accept them or you find an alternative audio system. You don’t have any choice. Sonos is in charge of their software and hardware, not us.

ok for the first part, not for the second ....

If you buy a car and then suddenly the brand decides to force you to accept geolocation otherwise your car won't start, it's not fair!!!!

do you find it normal that they force you to agree to share your data? that they prohibit you from doing anything as a recourse (who would) in the event of a breach, removal of services or features??

Prodigy III
June 5, 2024

Where have they forced you to share your data? This is specifically something Sonos doesn’t do. Anonymised usage data is as far as it goes. 

If I bought a car and they changed a fundamental of my original acceptance, then you would be within your rights to return the car. But you have provided no evidence of anything fundamental that has been changed in Sonos’ Ts & Cs.

And they are not forcing you to accept a broken system - they are working on fixes, and have been demonstrably doing so for the last four weeks. 

Unless you have not bought anything or created an account for anything in the last 20 years, then caveat emptor is nothing new. 

jgatie
June 5, 2024

ok for the first part, not for the second ....

If you buy a car and then suddenly the brand decides to force you to accept geolocation otherwise your car won't start, it's not fair!!!!

do you find it normal that they force you to agree to share your data? that they prohibit you from doing anything as a recourse (who would) in the event of a breach, removal of services or features??

 

See, that’s the thing, you didn’t buy the software like you buy a car.  So stop making comparisons to something you purchased, they just don’t apply.

Contributor I
June 5, 2024

Where have they forced you to share your data? This is specifically something Sonos doesn’t do. Anonymised usage data is as far as it goes. 

If I bought a car and they changed a fundamental of my original acceptance, then you would be within your rights to return the car. But you have provided no evidence of anything fundamental that has been changed in Sonos’ Ts & Cs.

And they are not forcing you to accept a broken system - they are working on fixes, and have been demonstrably doing so for the last four weeks. 

Unless you have not bought anything or created an account for anything in the last 20 years, then caveat emptor is nothing new. 

before we didn't have to create a profile with login and password.
Everything was stored locally
now we have to have a profile, they know exactly what devices you have, your favorites, your habits .....