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November 30, 2017

Returned Sonos one for google chromecast audio haven't looked back.

  • November 30, 2017
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First let me say I have been a sonos user and supporter since my first system in 2006. I originally started with on amped box and then got another. I used these over 10 years without fail. I have allot of home automation in my house and waited patiently for sonos to get alexa support. I went out and immediately purchased the sonos one on release day and couldn't wait to use my existing alexa's. Then disappointment settled in quickly. Not only was the alexa integration not what I expected the ONE was beyond disappointing. We replaced the alexa in our bedroom with the one. After trying and multiple removed/re-add the entire ONE to get it working time and time again, the wife said it's got to go.

So with great disappointment I went to the store to return my one. I grabbed a play 1 for $50 less and figured we will just go back to using our phone. Then I heard about the google home integration with a google cast in the input of my amps. So yesterday I purchased two google mini's and to google cast for both my amps.....

WOW exactly what I expected voice controlled sonos to be like. We defaulted our outside amped zone to play on the inside play one from the input when detected and the other to play in our living room. We added this to google home in the desired virtual rooms for the mini's. Google letting you set a cast device as default audio is already leaps and bounds above alexa. I won't get started on the home integration except we are 100% happy with google home vs alexa.

I realize I could have gotten dots and gotten close to this behavior but buying a voice control box for amps in the ceiling didn't make sense and alexa grouping to rooms is way behind google especially for audio.

What I gained

Native "play" support no need to say play to this or play to that. Just automatically plays to the corresponding sonos assigned to that google room.

Can group through google home and play group easily add and remove with voice.

volume and playback control is natural. Google seems to remember better what I am doing and volume etc work spot on. (for this I turned my sonos volumes too 100% and let the chromecast control the audio up and down.)

Granted we still have to use our phone to play on patio (not a worry since it's winter) but another amp or a play 5 in place of the play 1 will fix this.

So my take away is alexa is pretty closed off and google is in some ways as well. Sonos needs to stick to what they do well and that's speakers.

PLEASE ADD AN AUDIO INPUT TO PLAY:1 / PLAY:ONE let amazon and google handle the home automation. The sonos ONE completely ruined my wife on alexa altogether for it's many shortcomings. (ask it to play music it does nothing...)
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Enthusiast II
December 1, 2017
. Why the Mini won't do what the Android hosted Google app does is a mystery.

I know right, hopefully Sonos moves on Google Assistant quickly even though the Alexa thing is not going as smooth as they probably planned.
December 1, 2017
A couple of questions for clarity at my end:
1. If the native Google App on any Android can cast directly to Sonos, why can't the Google Mini? Is it a Google issue or a Sonos issue or just development hours prioritisation issue at both places? Would it be very dissimilar in terms of the tech involved to do this, and involve much more effort?
2. When Sonos releases Google Assistant, what will it mean? That the Mini will work with Sonos in a way that is similar to how Alexa does? With server to server hand over?
pluckyhd1Author
Trending Lyricist I
December 1, 2017
A couple of questions for clarity at my end:
1. If the native Google App on any Android can cast directly to Sonos, why can't the Google Mini? Is it a Google issue or a Sonos issue or just development hours prioritisation issue at both places? Would it be very dissimilar in terms of the tech involved to do this, and involve much more effort?
2. When Sonos releases Google Assistant, what will it mean? That the Mini will work with Sonos in a way that is similar to how Alexa does? With server to server hand over?


1. What native app can cast directly to sonos? (sorry I am an IOS user and don't see any options to cast to sonos and didn't know this was possible but the home app of google does not show sonos as an option to cast. I wasn't aware sonos was cast compatible. If it was I wouldn't think I would need the google chromecast adapters.
2. Correct and hopefully better (since google allows putting speakers into rooms etc) it's more natural as I don't have to ask it to play on the sonos it just knows based on what room I am on. I think allot of the fault lies in alexa for being so closed off to third parties (like sonos).
December 1, 2017

1. What native app can cast directly to sonos? (sorry I am an IOS user and don't see any options to cast to sonos and didn't know this was possible but the home app of google does not show sonos as an option to cast. I wasn't aware sonos was cast compatible. If it was I wouldn't think I would need the google chromecast adapters.

The Google Play Music app on an android device has the usual cast window icon on it that can be tapped to choose which Sonos zone the music is to be cast to - exactly as you would see if you used a Chromecast Audio puck, but without needing the puck at all. My guess is that this feature isn't there on iOS, but it works very well on Androids.

Or one can use GPM from inside the Sonos controller on any device, as one can use Apple Music.

So my question: why can't the Google Mini do just the same? I know it can't from reviews, all confirm that the puck is needed. But if it would do that, it would then perhaps be a simpler implementation of voice control than the Alexa + Sonos one is from a technical standpoint.
pluckyhd1Author
Trending Lyricist I
December 1, 2017

The Google Play Music app on an android device has the usual cast window icon on it that can be tapped to choose which Sonos zone the music is to be cast to - exactly as you would see if you used a Chromecast Audio puck, but without needing the puck at all. My guess is that this feature isn't there on iOS, but it works very well on Androids.

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Wow I didn't know this existed going to have to get out my old android and give it a sho,t reading I see you are right it can cast. I would guess it isn't implemented on Home. I would venture maybe needs support from sonos. That is even more upsetting either way this feature is available on android phones but not google home. I can confirm sonos is no where an option to cast on my google homes. Only the cast devices I have show as possible options.It also could be that sonos presents itself as a cast compatible device on android phones but not to the google home (which again would be stupid just grabbing at straws)

Guess its time to send oh google and sonos an email and see whats the reasoning behind this.
December 1, 2017
Let me know via a post here if you hear something useful from either.
Paulw123
Virtuoso
December 1, 2017
Sonos call it "play to sonos"
See right at end here:-
https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/127
Well hidden away.
pluckyhd1Author
Trending Lyricist I
December 1, 2017
Sonos call it "play to sonos"
See right at end here:-
https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/127
Well hidden away.


Ah that makes sense I am guessing Kumar is casting from google play. So it's not really native cast support more google play supporting sonos.
December 1, 2017
I am guessing Kumar is casting from google play. So it's not really native cast support more google play supporting sonos.
Why is casting from the GPM app on the phone not native cast support? What would be that be then?
Enthusiast II
December 1, 2017
I am guessing Kumar is casting from google play. So it's not really native cast support more google play supporting sonos.
Why is casting from the GPM app on the phone not native cast support? What would be that be then?

Is it some version of Google cast or a version of Sonos' play to Sonos? My guess is something like cast given Android only and the fact that it was introduced in 2014.