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Enthusiast II
October 17, 2017
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Ducking

  • October 17, 2017
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Reluctantly, I disabled the Alexa skill for Sonos today. The whole house ducking was causing too many complaints form everyone in the house. Ducking a Sonos speaker in a room so far away from the person using Alexa just doesn't make sense. I really would like to use voice commands with Sonos; but I guess I will have to wait even longer for Sonos to correct this problem.

I have three Echo dots connected to Sonos either through line-in jacks or Connects. This was originally done to work around the Audible issue. The bonus of doing this was that all output from the Dots sounded great going through the Sonos speakers. Even, simple things like: "Alexa, what is the weather?" sound very good. Well, they don't with ducking, because you can't hear them at all now.

Perhaps the long-term fix is to assign Alexa devices to specific Sonos products. A short-term fix would be to add the option of turning ducking off. I would be willing to accept that Alexa might not be able to hear me with this option.
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    Best answer by Keith N
    Hi there, mwiseman. Thanks for checking in. No news to share regarding this just yet. In the meantime, be sure to keep current on Sonos Controller app updates!

    I will be sure to update this thread with any new information as it becomes available.

    48 replies

    melvimbe
    October 17, 2017
    I really would like to use voice commands with Sonos; but I guess I will have to wait even longer for Sonos to correct this problem.

    I doubt this is Sonos problem to fix. Obviously Alexa is telling Sonos to drop the volume when 'ducking'. Sonos can't ignore that command, because the command is probably identiical to 'lower volume'. If you turn off volume, you probably turn off volume control.


    I have three Echo dots connected to Sonos either through line-in jacks or Connects. This was originally done to work around the Audible issue. The bonus of doing this was that all output from the Dots sounded great going through the Sonos speakers. Even, simple things like: "Alexa, what is the weather?" sound very good. Well, they don't with ducking, because you can't hear them at all now.


    I agree that the 'echo line-in' solution and the Alexa integration solution are not compatable. I'd argue that even if the ducking issue is fixed, you're probably going to run into issues with not hearing Alexa, or audible, because you're not set to line in, and so on.


    Perhaps the long-term fix is to assign Alexa devices to specific Sonos products. A short-term fix would be to add the option of turning ducking off. I would be willing to accept that Alexa might not be able to hear me with this option.


    Agreed that configuring a sonos zone to a specific echo or Alexa enabled device is the only real solution, which has several other benefits. As I said before, I doubt Sonos can turn off ducking without turning off all volume control.
    Danny
    mwisemanAuthor
    Enthusiast II
    October 17, 2017
    I doubt this is Sonos problem to fix. Obviously Alexa is telling Sonos to drop the volume when 'ducking'. Sonos can't ignore that command, because the command is probably identiical to 'lower volume'. If you turn off volume, you probably turn off volume control.

    I hope you are wrong and Sonos can quickly provide a fix. Otherwise, ducking, along with Audible, will be at the mercy of Amazon and Sonos will continue to be blamed while we wait.
    Ryan S
    Retired Sonos Staff
    October 17, 2017
    I doubt this is Sonos problem to fix. Obviously Alexa is telling Sonos to drop the volume when 'ducking'. Sonos can't ignore that command, because the command is probably identiical to 'lower volume'. If you turn off volume, you probably turn off volume control.

    I hope you are wrong and Sonos can quickly provide a fix. Otherwise, ducking, along with Audible, will be at the mercy of Amazon and Sonos will continue to be blamed while we wait.


    The integration here isn't done by one side or the other, so there's definitely work on both parties. Ducking is one of the things at the top of the list that's being worked on. And we're going to be constantly working on improving the whole Alexa integration. I'll make sure to pass on your feedback so the team can add it to the list of expected behavior.
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    mwisemanAuthor
    Enthusiast II
    October 17, 2017
    The integration here isn't done by one side or the other, so there's definitely work on both parties. Ducking is one of the things at the top of the list that's being worked on. And we're going to be constantly working on improving the whole Alexa integration. I'll make sure to pass on your feedback so the team can add it to the list of expected behavior.

    Thank you. I have high hopes for voice control of Sonos.
    Contributor II
    October 18, 2017
    Please do whatever you can about the ducking issue, Ryan.

    The Alexa integration seemed great to begin with – the wife understandably never liked Sonos because she just wants "to walk into the kitchen and turn the radio on". I can understand that. It's not exactly convenient to have to find a phone, start an app, hit Rooms > Kitchen, then My Sonos > BBC Radio 2 or some similar sequence just to hear Steve Wright (and none of the sequences are intuitive, sorry). She actually brought an old portable radio into the kitchen and put it next to the Sonos speaker "because it's so much easier".

    After a few days of persevering with the Echo Dot, she's agreed that saying: "Alexa, Play Radio 2 in the Kitchen" is a reasonable compromise, even if it does take about 10 seconds for the music to actually start (will it happen? Won't it? Such a thrill).

    But there's a problem. I'm in the office with Tangerine Dream playing through Sonos off the Mac library. My son is in his bedroom, practising guitar with Led Zep on Spotify. And every time the wife turns the radio on, or changes the volume, using Alexa, our music ducks out for 5–10 seconds. Aaargh! At least we know Mum's home, I suppose. But now she gets unwarranted stick for doing what we moaned at her to do. It's all a bit irritating and unfair.

    (#firstworldproblems of course)
    Ryan S
    Retired Sonos Staff
    October 19, 2017
    I'll pass the word on for you, CherryHintonBlue. Just a note, if the radio that your wife likes listening to was the last thing played on that kitchen speaker, she should be able to hit the play/pause button on it to restart the music at any time. If you tend to move things around and play different music on that player, you could set a silent alarm for 10 minutes on that player at various times during the day to put the station back into the most recently played slot. That is assuming it's always Radio 2 she's looking for.
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    Lyricist I
    October 27, 2017
    Add me to the list, Ducking is great when you only have one Sonos and Alexa in one room, but when you have it all around the house and Alex all around the house it is most annoying when someone in another room asks Alexa to do something and the whole house Sonos Ducks, is there a way to configure it so that Sonos only ducks in the room that Alexa is in??? SONOS support, please look at this and respond. Thanks
    Lyricist I
    October 31, 2017
    @SONOS - Just for your records: We also have six SONOS and some Alexas in use. Ducking is just plain useless when its not just happening to a specific device. Please disable ducking in general or give us a disable function.

    Btw: I guess there is nearly no time at all when a SONOS is that loud that Alexa won't understand me. So what's ducking good for anyway?

    Please, PLEASE turn it off. At the moment the whole Skill is disabled - what a pity 😠
    Contributor I
    October 31, 2017
    Ryan/ @SONOS

    I have multiple Sonos speaker rooms, Echo/ Alexas, and people in my house.

    Do I have any option other than to disable the Sonos skill for Alexa?

    Right now, it seems like nobody can do anything with Sonos in one room without being interrupted by anybody using Alexa in any room.
    Ryan S
    Retired Sonos Staff
    November 1, 2017
    Ryan/ @SONOS

    I have multiple Sonos speaker rooms, Echo/ Alexas, and people in my house.

    Do I have any option other than to disable the Sonos skill for Alexa?

    Right now, it seems like nobody can do anything with Sonos in one room without being interrupted by anybody using Alexa in any room.


    If you have an active family using Alexa ducking can be a bit of a bear in other rooms. We're working on it to find a good solution. For now, disabling the skill really is the best option since forgetting rooms won't last. Alexa automatically re-discovers rooms every couple hours.
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